oldbustedjorn
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Revenge is sweet. Nice job ChrTh!
VQ04 - Revenge!
- Thread starter Maquis
- Start date
Maquis
King
ChrTh: I understand getting your SG's done. I'm coming up soon in CTIV-7, and think I'll be safe to patch after my turnset. 
If we get VQ05 going, I'll be sure to put you far enough down the roster (assuming you're up for the game!)
If we get VQ05 going, I'll be sure to put you far enough down the roster (assuming you're up for the game!)
Maquis
King
OK, pretty tame turnset. Building up for the next war I guess...
Nothing huge to report. Steel came in on my first turn, and Hatty asked to trade it for Nationalism, which I accepted. I think the +2 from barracks should help fight WW for the upcoming wars, plus the option to draft units is there. I did not revolt. I kept us in Vassalage as I was building units.
In a bit of a
moment, I put a turn into Liberalism. It was a mis-click that I didn't notice. Changed to Steam Power as soon as I noticed.
Steam power in on turn 9, chose railroad next. Rails will help speed up everything so fast, especially since we'll be shuffling troops east-to-west once GW is history! Oh, and our workers have pretty well run out of things to do. They're active outside of cities waiting to build the rail network.
Oh, in case anyone wonders, we have coal near Neopolis.
I built a few buildings, used some artist specialists on the cities as they came out of revolt to pop the first border... built a few buildings, and am focusing on building Cannons and Rifles now. Note: Antium is building Ironworks. Highest production is there.
One look... GW is second to us in power. I see he has rifles, so let's make sure to soften up with cannons...
Alright... and another builder's turnset done by the VQ leader.
After all the
over the weekend of swap..no...skip...no...help! How about a roster check??
Roster
player 1: Maquis -- just played
player 2: eektor -- UP
player 3: bobrath -- on deck
player 4: GreyFox --
player 5: ChrTh -- creamed FDR
alternate: oldbustedjorn -- Living vicariously through us
Oh yeah.. save!
Spoiler :
Nothing huge to report. Steel came in on my first turn, and Hatty asked to trade it for Nationalism, which I accepted. I think the +2
from barracks should help fight WW for the upcoming wars, plus the option to draft units is there. I did not revolt. I kept us in Vassalage as I was building units.In a bit of a
moment, I put a turn into Liberalism. It was a mis-click that I didn't notice. Changed to Steam Power as soon as I noticed. Steam power in on turn 9, chose railroad next. Rails will help speed up everything so fast, especially since we'll be shuffling troops east-to-west once GW is history!
Oh, and our workers have pretty well run out of things to do. They're active outside of cities waiting to build the rail network.Oh, in case anyone wonders, we have coal near Neopolis.
I built a few buildings, used some artist specialists on the cities as they came out of revolt to pop the first border... built a few buildings, and am focusing on building Cannons and Rifles now. Note: Antium is building Ironworks. Highest production is there.
One look... GW is second to us in power. I see he has rifles, so let's make sure to soften up with cannons...
Alright... and another builder's turnset done by the VQ leader.
After all the
over the weekend of swap..no...skip...no...help! How about a roster check??Roster
player 1: Maquis -- just played
player 2: eektor -- UP
player 3: bobrath -- on deck
player 4: GreyFox --
player 5: ChrTh -- creamed FDR
alternate: oldbustedjorn -- Living vicariously through us
Oh yeah.. save!
ChrTh
Happy Yule!
Yeah, everyone has Rifles, which is why I started building Grenadiers. Ironworks in Antium? 
Wow, that's going to be a 1-turn infantry city!
EDIT: Railroad is a nice choice as it'll help us if someone attacks while we're mopping up George it'll be easy to divert forces.
PS: Don't forget Baltimore!
Wow, that's going to be a 1-turn infantry city!EDIT: Railroad is a nice choice as it'll help us if someone attacks while we're mopping up George it'll be easy to divert forces.
PS: Don't forget Baltimore!
ChrTh
Happy Yule!
One More Thing(tm):
Portland was assaulted by a Knight during my turn. The Knight came directly from New York. Fortunately the Longbow held him off, but that was a precarious situation. When conquering keep an eye on that; border cities can sometimes find the barbarians (figuratively) at the gate. Essentially all cities within 2 tiles of the cultural borders of your opponent should have multiple strong defenders. It's my bad for not catching it while playing, and I'm glad the RNG was in my favor...
Portland was assaulted by a Knight during my turn. The Knight came directly from New York. Fortunately the Longbow held him off, but that was a precarious situation. When conquering keep an eye on that; border cities can sometimes find the barbarians (figuratively) at the gate. Essentially all cities within 2 tiles of the cultural borders of your opponent should have multiple strong defenders. It's my bad for not catching it while playing, and I'm glad the RNG was in my favor...
Maquis
King
Just giving this a bump...
Maybe eektor needs a skip? Let's give him today to chime in, otherwise bobrath can take it...
Maybe eektor needs a skip? Let's give him today to chime in, otherwise bobrath can take it...
ChrTh
Happy Yule!
I need to do an emergency Out of Pocket
Any game that I'm in that wants to upgrade to 1.61 can do so, I'll patch up when I return (hopefully Monday, maybe not until Friday next week)
Any game that I'm in that wants to upgrade to 1.61 can do so, I'll patch up when I return (hopefully Monday, maybe not until Friday next week)
bobrath
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I decided to get us back in the tech game. Just didn't see the benefit of throwing units at George while Hatty and Mansa ran away in the tech realm. So... I let military builds mainly complete, did some aggresive tech trading and... we're in a nice place (imo of course).
I started off be negotiating new deals with all three leaders. We had a gpt for resource existing trade with each and so I cancelled it and asked for all the gpt they had available. Ended up with an extra 11gpt.
In tech trading, I traded away Steam Power to Hatty and Mansa in exchange for 90 gold, both world maps, and Liberalism, Economics, and Military Tradition. I also then signed a Defensive Pact with Hatty. Should keep anyone from getting too trigger happy. Took a hit with Mansa and George for signing it tho. Next turn, Mansa wanted to give us Astronomy for Military Tradition - of course I took it along with some more gold.
In 1720, all but two military builds were completed (two cavalries pending) and so I decided to bite the bullet and make a massive civic change (3 turns of anarchy). We came out of it in Unversal Suffrage, Free Market, Free Religion, and Free Speech... End of my turns, we only ended up losing a single turn of research on Railroad. It will complete when next player hits enter instead of being done on my last turn. Our economy is in a much better place tho. Moved up to 80% research with +60 gpt (Rome is on wealth btw).
Except for George being in the midst of a Great Person based Golden Age we'd be tops across the Demographics board.
Only signifigant happenings were Mansa and George decided to put new cities down next to New York. Mansa stole the iron north of there and Dallas is founded soley to flip to us in the near future.
Hatty does have Railroads and I think George has Physics (he has uranium in his trade window). Not sure what Mansa is up to. We're not out of the woods, but I think we can make a hard push to Infantry and begin the final hurting. Just have to be aware of George getting to Navy Seals.
We do have a very upgradable army and the next players need to keep the income high so that we can afford the upgrades. Heck we still have 3 warriors in our midst!!!
All workers are prepositioned for the coming Railroading frenzy. Most of our Observatories should finish in the next 4-5 turns which will make future research just fly. We're in a heavy culture battle up at Satsuma. I've got the Hermitage nearly finished in Nottingham to keep Hatty's borders at bay.
I had workers chopping any forest not in a fat cross and mining any hill in our area - hoping for a resource pop.
Here's the world view:
Turn Log of course
and the save file:
I started off be negotiating new deals with all three leaders. We had a gpt for resource existing trade with each and so I cancelled it and asked for all the gpt they had available. Ended up with an extra 11gpt.
In tech trading, I traded away Steam Power to Hatty and Mansa in exchange for 90 gold, both world maps, and Liberalism, Economics, and Military Tradition. I also then signed a Defensive Pact with Hatty. Should keep anyone from getting too trigger happy. Took a hit with Mansa and George for signing it tho. Next turn, Mansa wanted to give us Astronomy for Military Tradition - of course I took it along with some more gold.
In 1720, all but two military builds were completed (two cavalries pending) and so I decided to bite the bullet and make a massive civic change (3 turns of anarchy). We came out of it in Unversal Suffrage, Free Market, Free Religion, and Free Speech... End of my turns, we only ended up losing a single turn of research on Railroad. It will complete when next player hits enter instead of being done on my last turn. Our economy is in a much better place tho. Moved up to 80% research with +60 gpt (Rome is on wealth btw).
Except for George being in the midst of a Great Person based Golden Age we'd be tops across the Demographics board.
Only signifigant happenings were Mansa and George decided to put new cities down next to New York. Mansa stole the iron north of there and Dallas is founded soley to flip to us in the near future.
Hatty does have Railroads and I think George has Physics (he has uranium in his trade window). Not sure what Mansa is up to. We're not out of the woods, but I think we can make a hard push to Infantry and begin the final hurting. Just have to be aware of George getting to Navy Seals.
We do have a very upgradable army and the next players need to keep the income high so that we can afford the upgrades. Heck we still have 3 warriors in our midst!!!
All workers are prepositioned for the coming Railroading frenzy. Most of our Observatories should finish in the next 4-5 turns which will make future research just fly. We're in a heavy culture battle up at Satsuma. I've got the Hermitage nearly finished in Nottingham to keep Hatty's borders at bay.
I had workers chopping any forest not in a fat cross and mining any hill in our area - hoping for a resource pop.
Here's the world view:
Turn Log of course
Spoiler :
and the save file:
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Guys, may I play using 1.61? I realized I backuped the wrong folder ("My Documents\Civ4" -> "My Documents\Civ4-1.52") instead of the system folder ("Program Files\Games\Civ4") before I patched.
I can re-install Civ4-1.52, but would rather not go through the trouble since this is the only SG I have that is yet unpatched. I figured if I ask nicely, I might save myself the trouble.
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I can re-install Civ4-1.52, but would rather not go through the trouble since this is the only SG I have that is yet unpatched. I figured if I ask nicely, I might save myself the trouble.
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GreyFox
Make it so ...
No response? Is that a "Yes" or a "No"? 
GreyFox
Make it so ...
Realized I brought my laptop home, which is still running 1.52 ....
@bobrath: learnt recently that mining unworked hills is a waste of time ... resource pop would only occur when the mines are being worked on.
--
Ascension of GreyFox
Historians never agree on what had transpired that effected the ascension of GreyFox.
One version had it that GreyFox and Bobrath, then Emperor, quarrelled over the city of Nara ... it was no secret that GreyFox considered Nara a hard earned city while Bobrath hated it down to its every pillar and stones. This version claims that GreyFox was in a rage when Nara was poorly managed (see Figure below) that he lost control, placed Bobrath under house arrest, and ursurped the throne.
Another camp of historians believes that the Roman Scientists Association (RSA), which was growing very powerful during that period, favored GreyFox over the Emperor. They believed GreyFox would bring in a new era of science. Thus, the RSA deposed off the Emperor, and placed GreyFox on the throne as a puppet figurehead.
Although it had never been established which version is true, it is undisputed that with the ascension of GreyFox, the Romans reached a new peak of scientific era ...
The Great Roman Scence Era
It began with the birth of Alhazen (Great Scientist) in Rome. His genius inspired a lot of scientists, and Alhazen gathered them together, and established the Academy of Rome.
Romans were so inspired by the work of Alhazen, that citizens that were formerly busy producing wealth, all flocked over, and started a frantic research.
Hence, in the following years, technologies after technologies were discovered, forming what the historians today refer to as the Great Roman Science Era.
In addition, tons of libraries, univeristies, and observatories were built across the Roman Empire, and rumors had it that GreyFox had planned to start construction of the Oxford University in Boston, before his unfortunate deadth.
The End of GreyFox's Reign
Just as the facts of his ascension were dispouted, the death of GreyFox was also heavily debated. One version claimed that GreyFox died in a visit to the American city of Dallas, where he was shot by an assassin during a revolt (see Figure below). Claimants even suggest that this was what inspired the recent shooting of JFK, although that was certainly unfounded, and dismissed as mere fairy tale.
The official version put forth by the RSA then claimed that GreyFox was so indulged into research that he dies in an accident while frantically trying to uncover the secrets behind the technology of using Assembly Lines.
A less popular version claims that GreyFox, still unadapted to the sudden massive deployments of railways all over the Roman Empire, was run over by a train.
Whichever version you believe in, it should be based on facts. We now end this documentary by presenting you with all the evidence we managed to uncover from that year when GreyFox passed into history, and let you decide which version you think is true. Or, perhaps, you would come up with a new version?
Evidence 1: Record of City Production
Evidence 2: Record of Public Polls
Evidence 3: Dairy of the Roman Governor
Evidence 4: Computer Simulation of 1800AD Roman Empire (version 1.52)
@bobrath: learnt recently that mining unworked hills is a waste of time ... resource pop would only occur when the mines are being worked on.
--
Ascension of GreyFox
Historians never agree on what had transpired that effected the ascension of GreyFox.
One version had it that GreyFox and Bobrath, then Emperor, quarrelled over the city of Nara ... it was no secret that GreyFox considered Nara a hard earned city while Bobrath hated it down to its every pillar and stones. This version claims that GreyFox was in a rage when Nara was poorly managed (see Figure below) that he lost control, placed Bobrath under house arrest, and ursurped the throne.
Another camp of historians believes that the Roman Scientists Association (RSA), which was growing very powerful during that period, favored GreyFox over the Emperor. They believed GreyFox would bring in a new era of science. Thus, the RSA deposed off the Emperor, and placed GreyFox on the throne as a puppet figurehead.
Although it had never been established which version is true, it is undisputed that with the ascension of GreyFox, the Romans reached a new peak of scientific era ...
The Great Roman Scence Era
It began with the birth of Alhazen (Great Scientist) in Rome. His genius inspired a lot of scientists, and Alhazen gathered them together, and established the Academy of Rome.
Romans were so inspired by the work of Alhazen, that citizens that were formerly busy producing wealth, all flocked over, and started a frantic research.
Hence, in the following years, technologies after technologies were discovered, forming what the historians today refer to as the Great Roman Science Era.
In addition, tons of libraries, univeristies, and observatories were built across the Roman Empire, and rumors had it that GreyFox had planned to start construction of the Oxford University in Boston, before his unfortunate deadth.
The End of GreyFox's Reign
Just as the facts of his ascension were dispouted, the death of GreyFox was also heavily debated. One version claimed that GreyFox died in a visit to the American city of Dallas, where he was shot by an assassin during a revolt (see Figure below). Claimants even suggest that this was what inspired the recent shooting of JFK, although that was certainly unfounded, and dismissed as mere fairy tale.
The official version put forth by the RSA then claimed that GreyFox was so indulged into research that he dies in an accident while frantically trying to uncover the secrets behind the technology of using Assembly Lines.
A less popular version claims that GreyFox, still unadapted to the sudden massive deployments of railways all over the Roman Empire, was run over by a train.
Whichever version you believe in, it should be based on facts. We now end this documentary by presenting you with all the evidence we managed to uncover from that year when GreyFox passed into history, and let you decide which version you think is true. Or, perhaps, you would come up with a new version?
Evidence 1: Record of City Production
Evidence 2: Record of Public Polls
Evidence 3: Dairy of the Roman Governor
Spoiler :
Evidence 4: Computer Simulation of 1800AD Roman Empire (version 1.52)
bobrath
Emperor
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Thanks for that tidbit, now I know I wasted worker turns (but then I also considered just disbanding the poor bored sobs!).GreyFox said:
We all know the real truth: Bobrath so hated Nara that he ignored it completly and passed along the decisions of previous leaders.GreyFox said:
I did note in my turns that many cities were running super citizens, but I didn't think to go through all the cities and rectify this. Partially because I still don't "get" this level of micro managing.
Great writeup GreyFox. Had me smiling and you also made some great progress. I'd suggest after Assembly lines we turn down the research and build up enough of a treasury to upgrade our entire armed force to Infantry. Perhaps even switch back over to the war civics and spend that same time building new units.
Depends of course on how well our infrastructure is placed for the coming years as I suspect once we go to war footing, we won't be switching back.
Maquis
King
Ok, just wanted to check in, I think I am up, unless ChrTh is back "in pocket" in time to take this? Otherwise I will take it and play tonight.
Roster
player 1: Maquis -- Up? Swapping?
player 2: eektor --
player 3: bobrath --
player 4: GreyFox -- Just played
player 5: ChrTh -- out of pocket (maybe just a swap?)
Roster
player 1: Maquis -- Up? Swapping?
player 2: eektor --
player 3: bobrath --
player 4: GreyFox -- Just played
player 5: ChrTh -- out of pocket (maybe just a swap?)
ChrTh
Happy Yule!
I'm definitely not going to be able to get to it tonight, make it a tentative swap
Maquis
King
Ok, I'll take it as a swap. Playing now.
Maquis
King
I think after my turnset we should be getting pretty set up for the next war. I I turned down research as much as possible once Assembly Line came in, to do some mass troop upgrades.
After Assembly line, I went for Democracy. I have a feeling that the AIs will be getting it soon, and we don't want emacipation penalties. Also, I turn doewn research to start buying infrantry upgrades.
Unfortunatly, both Hatty and Washington revolt to Emancipation on turn 5 or so. The penalty starts hitting HARD! Seeing +5 emancipation penalties right away. I decide I should turn research back up to get Dempcracy next turn. I hated to have the 1 turn of anarchy, but it can't be helped.
So our production powerhouse is Antium... and I built a factory and coal plant... How nice is a 100 hpt city?
Workers are going to sleep in cities, as Rails are pretty much complete.
There's a few old troops left in some cities, but I upgraded 20 or so to Infranty/Machine guns. Chrth can finish upgradeing a few, and start to assemble the SOD...
And the save:
After Assembly line, I went for Democracy. I have a feeling that the AIs will be getting it soon, and we don't want emacipation penalties. Also, I turn doewn research to start buying infrantry upgrades.
Unfortunatly, both Hatty and Washington revolt to Emancipation on turn 5 or so. The penalty starts hitting HARD! Seeing +5 emancipation penalties right away. I decide I should turn research back up to get Dempcracy next turn. I hated to have the 1 turn of anarchy, but it can't be helped.
So our production powerhouse is Antium... and I built a factory and coal plant... How nice is a 100 hpt city?
Workers are going to sleep in cities, as Rails are pretty much complete.
There's a few old troops left in some cities, but I upgraded 20 or so to Infranty/Machine guns. Chrth can finish upgradeing a few, and start to assemble the SOD...
Spoiler :
And the save:
ChrTh
Happy Yule!
Yeah, "assemble" the SOD ... I doubt I'll use it during my turn 
