Wat bug fix seems to have backfired hilariously

[Alzadar]

As many know there was a bug before where Siam could buy Universities with Jesuit Education, allowing them to have Wats and Universities.

This was supposedly fixed in the previous patch, but it seems they took an interesting route to balancing this...

 

[Glassmage]

lol...... must be an intern

 

[ToodleElNoodos]

Whoa...wait...WAT?!?!?

 

[parts]

I... don't get it. Is it that you're Poland, and thus shouldn't have wats at all? So BNW allows everyone to buy a wat? I don't often play with Jesuit Education, but I'm preeeeeetty sure that's not the case in my game, could be a bug maybe?

Were you able to buy it in the end?

 

[blackcatatonic]

Oooh, I must try this before it gets fixed (again)

 

[Gabriel Pyyrhic]

I... don't get it. Is it that you're Poland, and thus shouldn't have wats at all? So BNW allows everyone to buy a wat? I don't often play with Jesuit Education, but I'm preeeeeetty sure that's not the case in my game, could be a bug maybe?

Were you able to buy it in the end?

Yes I am interested to know that too, my suspicion is no.

@OP
The WAT was greyed out, (I realise you lacked the faith) so it might just be listed but not actually available. I would be interested to have you confirm if you can buy this or not ?

If you can confirm I might have a troll through the code and find the problem.

Thanks in advance if you take the time to do it.

 

[kamex]

Wow, Firaxis must have an amazing QA department

 

[Gabriel Pyyrhic]

Wow, Firaxis must have an amazing QA department

Either that or the OP is playing cut n paste shenanigans.

 

[Meiz]

No, this bug definitely exists

 

[Jarlnian]

Wow, Firaxis must have an amazing QA department

May I suggest that it may be due to the presence of Positive Test Cases (i.e. check that Siam can't buy Univerisites with faith) but lack of Negative ones (i.e. check any other civ does not have access to Wat).

It does not have to be due to an "amazing" QA department but due to time restrictions. It's not uncommon in QA to be short in time and decisions have to be made about the coverage.

Anyhow, back on OP. It seems like a nice bug I wouldn't mind to check for an early SV. Pacal, perhaps...

 

[Magma_Dragoon]

QA did a fine job, humans almost never takes piety, so they thought we'd never see it

 

[Gabriel Pyyrhic]

May I suggest that it may be due to the presence of Positive Test Cases (i.e. check that Siam can't buy Univerisites with faith) but lack of Negative ones (i.e. check any other civ does not have access to Wat).

It does not have to be due to an "amazing" QA department but due to time restrictions. It's not uncommon in QA to be short in time and decisions have to be made about the coverage.

Anyhow, back on OP. It seems like a nice bug I wouldn't mind to check for an early SV. Pacal, perhaps...

100% Agree. Emergent problems are a pain to find.

 

[Alzadar]

100% Agree. Emergent problems are a pain to find.

This is not an emergent problem, it's an obvious edge case. Siam needs to be able to buy Wats (and not Universities), and everyone else needs to be able to buy Universities (and not Wats). Two things to make sure of.

In the end I was indeed able to buy the Wat:

Spoiler :

 

[dennisdc]

I witnessed the same in my recent game as Byzantium.. ask me if my science beakers were off the charts

 

[homegrown]

So we're marking this one "not fixed" ?

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

The game is defenitly wrongfully handling the following code

	<Belief_BuildingClassFaithPurchase>
		<Row>
			<BeliefType>BELIEF_CATHEDRALS</BeliefType>
			<BuildingClassType>BUILDINGCLASS_CATHEDRAL</BuildingClassType>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<BeliefType>BELIEF_MOSQUES</BeliefType>
			<BuildingClassType>BUILDINGCLASS_MOSQUE</BuildingClassType>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<BeliefType>BELIEF_PAGODAS</BeliefType>
			<BuildingClassType>BUILDINGCLASS_PAGODA</BuildingClassType>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<BeliefType>BELIEF_MONASTERIES</BeliefType>
			<BuildingClassType>BUILDINGCLASS_MONASTERY</BuildingClassType>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<BeliefType>BELIEF_JESUIT_EDUCATION</BeliefType>
			<BuildingClassType>BUILDINGCLASS_UNIVERSITY</BuildingClassType>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<BeliefType>BELIEF_JESUIT_EDUCATION</BeliefType>
			<BuildingClassType>BUILDINGCLASS_PUBLIC_SCHOOL</BuildingClassType>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<BeliefType>BELIEF_JESUIT_EDUCATION</BeliefType>
			<BuildingClassType>BUILDINGCLASS_LABORATORY</BuildingClassType>
		</Row>
	</Belief_BuildingClassFaithPurchase>

This is defeniately hilarious, I can't wait to see the Fall patch's fix for this and what they'll say in the patch notes for this.

 

[dshirk]

Would love a save to send over to Ed if you have one handy.

 

[Gabriel Pyyrhic]

This is not an emergent problem, it's an obvious edge case. Siam needs to be able to buy Wats (and not Universities), and everyone else needs to be able to buy Universities (and not Wats). Two things to make sure of.

In the end I was indeed able to buy the Wat:

Spoiler :

I used the term incorrectly here, I actually meant problems that are only found by QA by exploring deep into the game (and using a very specific part of the game).

I had just come from a different thread where I was talking about an emergent AI problem and my brain must have decided it could not be bothered to find the correct term

So MY FAULT, should have characterised the situation better.

Thankyou for letting me know, I will have a look through the code now and try and find the offending bit. Apologies if you drew any offense from my suggestion of "cut n paste", but unfortunately people can an do claim anything on forums.

Anyway good pickup, thanks for the info.

 

[Gabriel Pyyrhic]

The game is defenitly wrongfully handling the following code

	<Belief_BuildingClassFaithPurchase>
		<Row>
			<BeliefType>BELIEF_CATHEDRALS</BeliefType>
			<BuildingClassType>BUILDINGCLASS_CATHEDRAL</BuildingClassType>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<BeliefType>BELIEF_MOSQUES</BeliefType>
			<BuildingClassType>BUILDINGCLASS_MOSQUE</BuildingClassType>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<BeliefType>BELIEF_PAGODAS</BeliefType>
			<BuildingClassType>BUILDINGCLASS_PAGODA</BuildingClassType>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<BeliefType>BELIEF_MONASTERIES</BeliefType>
			<BuildingClassType>BUILDINGCLASS_MONASTERY</BuildingClassType>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<BeliefType>BELIEF_JESUIT_EDUCATION</BeliefType>
			<BuildingClassType>BUILDINGCLASS_UNIVERSITY</BuildingClassType>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<BeliefType>BELIEF_JESUIT_EDUCATION</BeliefType>
			<BuildingClassType>BUILDINGCLASS_PUBLIC_SCHOOL</BuildingClassType>
		</Row>
		<Row>
			<BeliefType>BELIEF_JESUIT_EDUCATION</BeliefType>
			<BuildingClassType>BUILDINGCLASS_LABORATORY</BuildingClassType>
		</Row>
	</Belief_BuildingClassFaithPurchase>

This is defeniately hilarious, I can't wait to see the Fall patch's fix for this and what they'll say in the patch notes for this.

That's only the XML and it does not imply anything about the code really. Unless I am missing something fundamental here ? Why does this XML actually imply code that is working improperly ?

Not trying to be contentious, just trying to understand you point.

NOTE : These list building class's. Not 100% sure but a WAT may well be a member of the Building Class University ?

 

[Kennan]

Is this as abusive as it sounds?
Can you field a total 6 scientists?
Do you get +4 beakers from jungle with both Uni and Wat?
Do you get the % extra beakers from both buildings?
Does both buildings get buffed by Free Thought?

I can imagine angry comments about this in MP...