Were there any positive change as a result of the 'Arab Spring'

The problem of “free-range” parenting is almost the perfect overlap with “ohhhh no, no pasteurized milk in this house!” and “measles vaccine? More like Bill Gates 5G nanochips!”
In every health food store there's some woo-woo magazine with reiki healers and astrology but that doesn't mean you should just shrug and eat McDonald's.

Unfortunately when people realize society is not their friend and they can't trust the man they're so desperate for answers they latch onto new alternative nonsense beliefs.
 
No, they can't.

I'd love to see some stats on your theories. I wonder how they hold up nationally, or even internationally.

The thing is, before phones it was computers. Or consoles. Before that it was TV. Before that it was radio. And can you believe it? Before that it was books. Kids were reading too many books. And not going outside.

Except they were. Generally speaking. Maybe not in specific cases. But generally.

One of Fredric Wertham's arguments in Seduction of the Innocent for why comic books were bad was that it led to an increase in asthma because kids were staying indoors reading comic books instead of going outside.
 
No, they can't.

I'd love to see some stats on your theories. I wonder how they hold up nationally, or even internationally.

The thing is, before phones it was computers. Or consoles. Before that it was TV. Before that it was radio. And can you believe it? Before that it was books. Kids were reading too many books. And not going outside.

Except they were. Generally speaking. Maybe not in specific cases. But generally.
It has changed some. I walked to school when I was 5. That wouldn't happen now.
Cars are the biggest single factor in that change I think.
Also a degree of paranoia about paedophiles who I do not think are any more common than they ever were.
 
Plenty of card in 80's here's your bike school is 5km that way.
 
It has changed some. I walked to school when I was 5. That wouldn't happen now.
Cars are the biggest single factor in that change I think.
Also a degree of paranoia about paedophiles who I do not think are any more common than they ever were.
I walked to school when I was 5. My son walks to school. With an adult, sure, but that's been a thing far longer than technology. Cities have been around for generations now.

I don't doubt paedophiles are a thing that goes through parents' minds, but Saville was how many years ago? And he's just one we know about.

I dunno. It feels like every generation has the same dos and don'ts. Technology is relatively new in the digital sense, and I feel people put more weight on it than they should. They have tablets at primary school now, because they're a part of how things work. It hasn't stopped my kids from going outside. It hasn't stopped any kids I know in my son's class from going outside. That's the anecdote. And I can't find the data to support Narz's handwringing.

Heck, it hasn't even changed parents doing their kids' work for them. I remember that with art and DIY projects back in my own primary school days, hah. Again, it's nothing new.

The best we have is a greater idea of the things that can go wrong. Parents will overprotect or not just like they always have. We're getting onto another topic with that though, with the 24 hour news cycle and all that.
 
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It would be bonkers thinking that handing devices to kids whose software algorithms are designed solely to suck in their attention wouldn't be quantifiably different from lesser versions of those technologies from an era when there was greater social control over the media being presented. No, some things have step-change effects. There's a reason why the 30-second-entertainment clip evolved. If people are preferring it to 20 minute episodes, then there's something being done at the cognitive level that will have longterm outcomes as well.
There will be two risks: priming short attention spans and replacing socialization. If your kid is texting while at a restaurant with family, that's one thing. If they're TikToking, that's another.
 
It would be bonkers thinking that handing devices to kids whose software algorithms are designed solely to suck in their attention wouldn't be quantifiably different from lesser versions of those technologies from an era when there was greater social control over the media being presented. No, some things have step-change effects. There's a reason why the 30-second-entertainment clip evolved. If people are preferring it to 20 minute episodes, then there's something being done at the cognitive level that will have longterm outcomes as well.
There will be two risks: priming short attention spans and replacing socialization. If your kid is texting while at a restaurant with family, that's one thing. If they're TikToking, that's another.
Sure. But that's a cycle that's been going on longer than handheld devices. The people who optimise for this will optimise for anything that isn't a literal cave hermit.

You can argue technology makes that easier, and I agree. But fixing that doesn't involve taking them away from kids, or demonising that angle (not saying you're doing that, I'm talking about the origin of the tangent).
 
I walked to school when I was 5. My son walks to school. With an adult, sure, but that's been a thing far longer than technology. Cities have been around for generations now.

I don't doubt paedophiles are a thing that goes through parents' minds, but Saville was how many years ago? And he's just one we know about.

I dunno. It feels like every generation has the same dos and don'ts. Technology is relatively new in the digital sense, and I feel people put more weight on it than they should. They have tablets at primary school now, because they're a part of how things work. It hasn't stopped my kids from going outside. It hasn't stopped any kids I know in my son's class from going outside. That's the anecdote. And I can't find the data to support Narz's handwringing.

Heck, it hasn't even changed parents doing their kids' work for them. I remember that with art and DIY projects back in my own primary school days, hah. Again, it's nothing new.

The best we have is a greater idea of the things that can go wrong. Parents will overprotect or not just like they always have. We're getting onto another topic with that though, with the 24 hour news cycle and all that.
I walked to and from school alone at the age of 5. The amount of traffic on suburban streets particularly around schools is vastly different from 40 years ago.
 
I walked to and from school alone at the age of 5. The amount of traffic on suburban streets particularly around schools is vastly different from 40 years ago.
Fair, I didn't realise it was that different the generation before. That said, I didn't have a computer until I was ten, and a phone until some years later. So stuff was changing around me, well before my kids started using technology.
 
Fair, I didn't realise it was that different the generation before. That said, I didn't have a computer until I was ten, and a phone until some years later. So stuff was changing around me, well before my kids started using technology.
I think particularly with cars it was. When I was a kid not every family had a car and 2 car families weren't my parents income strata.
I think parents worry more about paedophiles although there are much more checks on those who would work with children and in schools, nurseries etc children are probably much safer than they were in the 70-80s.
 
Sure. But that's a cycle that's been going on longer than handheld devices.

There are cycles and there are step-changes in cycles. I can name a handful of ways in which a smartphone is quantifiably different from a television from the amount of length attention it rewards to the barriers between eyeballs and harmful content. Sure, you can force them onto a spectrum, but we're still shaking the dice on whether they're net harmful. The profit motives of the content creators dominate content, and the rules and tools under which they can affect kids are completely different. It's a step change in the risk.
 
I think it’s mostly down to cars and (sub)urban landscape. As a kid I lived in a quiet suburb with tons of parents and kids roughly the same age as me and my parents. I was allowed to roam pretty freely within that housing development from about age 8 onwards. I think I’d feel less safe raising my kid in that neighborhood today though.

 
When I was a kid I’d at least leave the house to go to the library sometimes and plenty of kids would go to the mall, I didn’t do that as much, it wasn’t within walking distance.

On the other hand, even though there wasn’t as much available to choose from, we would still just sit around watching crap on TV all day because that’s what was on, even if it was dumb.
 
Fair, I didn't realise it was that different the generation before. That said, I didn't have a computer until I was ten, and a phone until some years later. So stuff was changing around me, well before my kids started using technology.
Completely different if you talk to older people. Even different from when I was a kid and now. Actually saw a big change from the early 90s when the neighborhood kids would meet before dinner and the mid 90s when we didn't, but one street doesn't tell all. I would guess the national trend lurched hard in the 90s, maybe 00s in areas slower to get electronics
 
I grew up in a walkable town which is basically surrounded by a sea of car-centric developments, because there is a large community of Haredi and Hasidic Jews in the area who cannot drive to temple on the Shabbat but must walk. So the town could not be designed in such a way that a car is the only way to get around.

And I had a pretty "free range" childhood: I walked about a mile to school alone starting in about fourth grade (age 9-10 for non-USians) and my friends and I rode bikes all over and had explored all around the town and surrounding area, basically as far as you could go before running into dangerous-to-cross highways, by the end of middle school (age 14 or so).

I think, following @schlaufuchs, if you want walkable towns with kids playing outside you have to do something to get rid of cars or failing that you must not have completely car-centric infrastructure, it must be possible to walk around without being pulped by these things:
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(btw trucks this size should be illegal, if you have a truck this size, go fudge yourself)
 
There are cycles and there are step-changes in cycles. I can name a handful of ways in which a smartphone is quantifiably different from a television from the amount of length attention it rewards to the barriers between eyeballs and harmful content. Sure, you can force them onto a spectrum, but we're still shaking the dice on whether they're net harmful. The profit motives of the content creators dominate content, and the rules and tools under which they can affect kids are completely different. It's a step change in the risk.
We're always shaking the dice. But it's us that should be, and not the kids, if that makes sense.
 
What is the truck? I'm not a truck guy, but it is dicey towing anhydrous tanks or wagons with dad's F150. A larger truck has sort of always been a goal, but once one springs for the truck, other vehicles are going to need to go... so probably stuck with the terrifying tows so that grocery shopping isn't even less fuel efficient. I don't think my dad has left the county in months. That's pretty normal.
 
if you want walkable towns with kids playing outside you have to do something to get rid of cars or failing that you must not have completely car-centric infrastructure, it must be possible to walk around without being pulped by these things
Good channel all about best walkable/bikeable cities

 
I grew up in a walkable town which is basically surrounded by a sea of car-centric developments, because there is a large community of Haredi and Hasidic Jews in the area who cannot drive to temple on the Shabbat but must walk. So the town could not be designed in such a way that a car is the only way to get around.

And I had a pretty "free range" childhood: I walked about a mile to school alone starting in about fourth grade (age 9-10 for non-USians) and my friends and I rode bikes all over and had explored all around the town and surrounding area, basically as far as you could go before running into dangerous-to-cross highways, by the end of middle school (age 14 or so).

I think, following @schlaufuchs, if you want walkable towns with kids playing outside you have to do something to get rid of cars or failing that you must not have completely car-centric infrastructure, it must be possible to walk around without being pulped by these things:
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(btw trucks this size should be illegal, if you have a truck this size, go fudge yourself)

Truck like that can be useful on a farm.

No idea why you need them in urban areas. Well I know why but it's stupid.
 
Truck like that can be useful on a farm.

No idea why you need them in urban areas. Well I know why but it's stupid.
Sometimes I see building contractors use those trucks where they use them to bring in supplies they buy at a hardware store in bulk (they may carry lumber, draywall, a pallets worth of concrete mix, lawn stones, etc) to their job site. Where a use of a van is too large for their needs. So they are somewhat useful in an urban setting if it’s being used to transport materials to a job site for construction or a building renovation. Especially when driving a semi truck in an urban center to deliver building materials to a job site located in a densely populated urban center is too unwieldy (try delivering an order of drywall to a renovation project in an apartment in the middle of Manhattan on a semi-truck).
 
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