Western Media is propaganda, not free-market laziness

[H4run]

As a total aside, in Pakistan, I had a custom velvet pouch once made for me. A large amount of som e mails went missing from my Envelopes, and two weeks later, I was being told things I had said in mail, but in different ways. The informant claimed to be Polish, although she had no accent, and when I asked her to speak Polish, she stumbled greatly, and said it had been a while. Stumbling on your mother tongue? Oh, and she certainly knew my porn habits too... ..this was before Snowden told us Americans were being spied on, but far after I knew, I mean, I told everyone so. The story could go on and on, we intellectually sparred, and she lost. When a girl is too good to be true, and you are facing such a monumental evil, she is. The gold and whore chasing corrupt can't tell the difference between a gold digger and a whore, and are far more prone to Anna Chapmans, they assume everyone else has their weaknesses and lack of insight, even their real competition. What was hilarious about the her ineptitude, and the ineptitude of all her informants, was the profile they had created of me based upon my internet habits. They must have believed that when I talk of people being spied on, I didn't know exactly why they do it, and how useful it is to have information about people. Maybe you know this already, but dope all of your internet habits with things you care little for, keeping in mind someone is watching. When approached by someone wanting to share these interests with you... Hey, someone wants to talk to you about hang gliding and basement mushroom cultivation? That is certainly a new friend you want to keep closer, if you can.

BTW, they wormed through a website, since it sent message notification emails. If you had email notifications turned on, that is probably where the exploit was.

The things that I still don't get it is that, how the NSA spying the large number of US and outside of its population, how they studied on millions and millions civilian and random peoples around the globe, how many personnel to they have? And how they decide who to spy and who is not? And with the population of hundreds million internet user, how great is the possibility that they actually spy on us? I really wonder how it works technically.

 

[NovaKart]

Are you all aware of how often the NSA is criticized in mainstream US media?

 

[Farm Boy]

Are you all aware of how often the NSA is criticized in mainstream US media?

He's just giving us a somewhat inexpert lesson in the topic of the tread. When engaging in propaganda pick a simple message, unplug the inputs, turn up the outputs, and loop a short track.

 

[KevinLancaster]

Not when it comes to Libya, Iran, North Korea, and if the western media could get its way, Russia and Syria. Of course, this time they are taking on a titan of propaganda, not a tin pot, and they are losing.

Opinions on Iraq and Afghanistan can now be different in different areas, but that is 10 years after the mission was accomplished.

Not exactly, especially not in multicultural Western societies like Canada. It's sometimes easy to forget that Western media and politics do not necessarily represent Western people. You could point to Fox News as a representative of the West but here at least we have a lot of culture-specific programming available, and you can't say that it isn't Western since it although it distinguishes itself from mainstream Western media it still reports on local issues and uses Western reporting methods.

I really love the cultural mosaic thing we've got going on in Canada.

The things that I still don't get it is that, how the NSA spying the large number of US and outside of its population, how they studied on millions and millions civilian and random peoples around the globe, how many personnel to they have? And how they decide who to spy and who is not? And with the population of hundreds million internet user, how great is the possibility that they actually spy on us? I really wonder how it works technically.

I don't think they actually monitor all of the data, or if they do it's probably an automated system, which are usually crappy. That's why the idea is just so stupid. The people who implemented the system must actually want to be God or something, since simply being like Him wasn't enough. It's like a bad real life version of Deus Ex.

Everyone there probably uses it for hijinks.

I suppose they could hide the facility under a mountain and there could be some sort of vast conspiracy and actions like NTIA giving up control of the DNS root zone starting this year are just smoke and mirrors, but given the history of the United States failing to cover up scandals effectively we would have heard by now. Snowden didn't seem to know, but maybe he could be in on the CONSPIRACY. He's a deep-cover agent like the Boss from MGS3!

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

Not when it comes to Libya, Iran, North Korea, and if the western media could get its way, Russia and Syria. Of course, this time they are taking on a titan of propaganda, not a tin pot, and they are losing.

Opinions on Iraq and Afghanistan can now be different in different areas, but that is 10 years after the mission was accomplished.

If there is/was popular sentiment for Syria, North Korea, Iran, and Libya, the American government would've had gone into these countries already. You'd find that much of the support comes from the GOP supporters who are shifting rightwards evermore.

And up here in Canada, I've met very few people who actually support of any of these wars and many took pride when Jean Chretien refused to take part in Iraq. The only reason we are on the news with those warmongering pronouncements these days is because our ruling Conservative party has a majority government and is allowed to do anything they want - including stealing money, staging a riot in Toronto, removing oversight on their fraudulent activities, etc, etc, etc.

 

[r16]

He's just giving us a somewhat inexpert lesson ...

and on the other hand he gives a royal chewing to locals for their fixation about my "fixation" on 10 000 £ a night internet phenomena , offers they are good boys and will not like use the Hersh claims -you know to bomb us- and admonishes the said locals to look for the Russian puppet-mistress who's pulling my strings in pillow talk -for there has to be one ... With pointers that my web traffic is not me -so unlike what the locals think .

well , ı have seen only two P_nthouse p_ts as a physical reality , in the sense if ı extented my arm ı could have touched them . One was like the Goodyear blimp -but no doubt nicely tuned and fit under the clothes and the other liked my recognizing her and identifying her as -no doubt- "professional s_x worker" ... Turkey has indeed become affluent , they can be afforded and this city can be a workable "retreat" for the rich guys of Istanbul .

now that ı am supposed to be working on some 50% and just a little bit more principle and since all references to starships must be wrong and the remainder somewhat true , he is fishing for whether ı know Yvonne Strahovski . Another (?) member of CFC had once asked me whether ı knew what colour Nathalie Portman was down there . ı ignore such stuff , the Starfleet is of recon crusiers of 400 thousand tons of Durasteel and 59 cubic meters of Tibanna and not of 40 feet motorboats with stars on board . And mind you how would ı know what her pronounciation of Polish is like ? Do ı speak Polish ? No ...

for all its worth let's ask the mods to have a Picture poll ...



does she look like a Klingon to you ? A space Marine Klingon , too ?

 

[NovaKart]

What?

 

[Farm Boy]

At least that wasn't short looped. I don't think?

 

[r16]

say , just say , the Russians and Chinese are viewing your posts against NewEnd as patriotic Americans doing their best to assist a Federal employee of US Goverment by painting him as a fool . Discourse without context is meaningless and ı can't say ı have the entire context of what he says ; but he does make enough sense to get the expert who shames all experts to pound the table and declare that there will soon be some Ceasar-Brutus dynamics , so all the opposition should give up opposition to the PM's presidency with massively increased powers . Those people are living in lotus dreams and see shadows lurking everywhere once their erstwhile allies , the Congregation turned on them and not exactly helped by the US assidiously ... Real strange for me being a talking point on State TV , but then nobody reads me .

stop covering him and the thread will just wither on its own . Turkey doesn't grow fangs because one spook talked "good" about a Turk on some gaming forum .

 

[NovaKart]

I still have no idea what you' mean. Are you suggesting NewEnd is a US government agent?

 

[H4run]

Real strange for me being a talking point on State TV , but then nobody reads me .

You mean you get invited to the tv station in Turkey for your commentary while here no one read your post? are you political commentators in Turkey?

 

[NovaKart]

People often don't read your posts because they're often very long and cryptic. People can't understand them.

 

[Farm Boy]

They're read. They're not always comprehended.

 

[H4run]

People often don't read your posts because they're often very long and cryptic. People can't understand them.

I read his post, sometime over and over again struggling to understand, I really curious in his idea and I think the way his talking is quite provocative. I really like some provocative poster in this forum without agreeing with their idea, provocative and funny way on writing always attract me despite the content.

But the thing is I don't understand R16 post regardless of its quality or content, I think because he never explicitly tell his idea, mostly he present his idea very implicitly with puzzling manner, and his syntax also quite random and combine that with a lots of jargon and event that sometime I don't quite acquaintance with and he don't explain that event. So it is like a puzzle inside a puzzle inside a puzzle.

I already plan several time to message him to talk in Turkish language, so maybe I can know him better that way.

 

[NewEnd]

say , just say , the Russians and Chinese are viewing your posts against NewEnd as patriotic Americans doing their best to assist a Federal employee of US Goverment by painting him as a fool . Discourse without context is meaningless and ı can't say ı have the entire context of what he says ; but he does make enough sense to get the expert who shames all experts to pound the table and declare that there will soon be some Ceasar-Brutus dynamics , so all the opposition should give up opposition to the PM's presidency with massively increased powers . Those people are living in lotus dreams and see shadows lurking everywhere once their erstwhile allies , the Congregation turned on them and not exactly helped by the US assidiously ... Real strange for me being a talking point on State TV , but then nobody reads me .

stop covering him and the thread will just wither on its own . Turkey doesn't grow fangs because one spook talked "good" about a Turk on some gaming forum .

I was actually just going off what you were suggesting... ...or as I understood it, that Hersh is being misled by his CIA contacts to make Erdogan the big fall guy for a bunch of things, including the Benghazi scandal. That is how the CIA works, deals with the devil and all. Just ask Saddam Hussein how his big friendship with the United States turned out in the end. His betrayal was probably planned before he even shook hands with Donald Rumsfeld.

There are two nations that could have bugged the Turkish Defense office, USA and Russia. If it was USA, then Erdogan is headed for a betrayal. I can't cry for him, but Turkey will get shafted with an even worse replacement. The CIA may be posturing for this, afraid that the false flag story will pick up steam in Turkey, and completely damage Erdogan for good.

If it is Russia, then Erdogan is in their crosshairs. I can't cry for him, and I trust Russia to put in a more populist replacement, because right now, in Europe, the US is pushing globalist puppets and governments, trying to quash nationalism, and encourage pan-europism, to strengthen the European Central Bank. (In Asia and Africa, they are doing the opposite, trying to split the nations into sectarian violence, mostly to increase oil and defense prices and profits).

So Russia's counter has to be to foster nationalism and rejection of globalisation.

It is indeed a propaganda war, the most important kind in a world of democracies.

But Western Media isn't propaganda, so Russia will win.

 

[Tahuti]

They're read. They're not always comprehended.

So what? r16's posts are awesome! No poster has ever touched such a wide variety of subjects in such an hilarious manner as r16 has ever done!

 

[Farm Boy]

Posting of Monty Python in response is not a condemnation from me.

 

[NovaKart]

Still scratching my head over the America betrayed Saddam thing.

 

[r16]

I still have no idea what you' mean. Are you suggesting NewEnd is a US government agent?

am suggesting you (and not only you) are "seen" as a cover for a guy who can easily be suspected to be a US Goverment agent .

america betrayed Saddam with provisions that he would win -in 1980 , America betrayed Saddam that he would be allowed to take over Kuwait and get ready for the big one up North -in 1990 .

america will betray the Kurds -in 2000 and beyond , for they are also to be condemned for their glorius work in the removal of the Turkish menace . ı don't think they are exactly vocal in Erbil about the list the dear seperatists prepared over the years and recently acquired by the "proper Kurds" . Containing up to a million names , this no-doubt-and-unreal-rumoured list contains anybody whom the seperatists have seen as actual or presumed opposition ; includes those who refuse to buy cigarettes smuggled by some glorius freedom fighting organization . The getting-over-with-the-list will have to be completed by the Barzanists , 'cause the promise to them includes the removal of the seperatists as well , considering it's common knowledge that the National Intelligence has infiltrated the seperatists too much ...

though nothing to worry . Back in '79 when the Vietnamese were still dying of the American bombing and the like in droves and certainly unwilling for a continuation of the same and as such needed an "honest" appraisal of the situation ; an invitation was extented . And Lord Vader walked the killing fields of Cambodia before they were a tourist destination . ı understand on the first day the gunfire was still audible , the Khmer Rouge pursued hard some miles away . All to be done is that accusing "the Turks" yet again ; that it was actually them Turks who made the list for killing every Kurd and they were just getting justice they deserved . The Western -and no doubt- the Eastern Media will all be there to tell that truth .

the also dear Americans will ignore as this entire post as some stupid plea for the US President Barack Hussein not to use the Word Genocide on April 24th , as if he hasn't been saying the the thing for years . The dear Americans never look back afterall . They blackmail everybody for things "undone" , even if it is like absolutely clear the relief they provide is merely "tactical" ... For a day !

the nation state is just a thing the Americans are like hating to tha last bit and byte . This TV debate last night ; we heard it's so bad of Russians not to honour the Nation State by dismembering Ukraine ... Such a horror to hear from the former advisor to the PM / now the dean of an university . Is he going to recant and offer an apology that he and all the academia have done their best to destroy this Nation State and some others ? Since , even a pal of his has trouble in explaining the 200 000 killed among the stupid Arabs who can't grasp that America has green-lighted the Ottoman Empire 2.0 ; he says we have at least learned the ways of the Middle East ... Don't you say ...

hell , no . He says it's beyond doubt that Might is Right and it's a romantic pipedream to remain "wedded" to the Nation State . Follows on the heels of expert who shames all experts who had yet another history talk on how the Romans were like starving before they had both Anatolia and Egypt . See , much talk against the death sentences in Cairo recently . Can never understand why this country is so powerful that it can walk over the Egyptians who have the AIDS treatment beam -according to "not so friendly" newsreports here and without any reference that it can also work in the reverse gear- yet have to accept this mission or else suffer at the hands of the US lawmakers who can just call it genocide . It all "depends at the State we will have in 2015" . What makes it so certain that we will have a state in 2015 ?

 

[NovaKart]

I doubt many people think that about me on this forum.

The US did not have diplomatic relations with saddam at the start of the Iran Iraq war mainly because he was in the soviet camp. Later after the US became afraid that Iran might win they began giving assistance to saddam. However , I don't see how this amounts to a deal that Iraq would win the war, which neither side really did , if that's what you're implying.

Some conspiracy minded people think America gave saddam the green light to invade Kuwait all based off of the ambassadors statement which was just a bit ambiguous at best. It really absurd to come to that conclusion.

The rest of your post was confusing with vague references here and there. I really don't understand the point of taking the time on such a long post if people can't understand it.