WFYABTA from a friendly AI?

[ungy]

Well the title pretty much says it all.
In a recent game (actually the immortal churchill), I have Pacal way to friendly--at one point +21 relations and my voluntary vassal.
Still I get the WFYABTA message:

Anybody got any ideas why? I thought you didn't get that once you got to friendly.

 

[ANewGuy]

Do you have any other Vassals? The AI takes its mood towards you and all of your vassals for things like WFYABTA, resource trades, etc.

 

[Rusten]

You have a vassal (Napoleon) and Pacal is only 'pleased' towards him. The attitude is rounded down so friendly+pleased = pleased.

If you get Pacal to friendly towards Napoleon WFYABTA goes away again.

 

[ungy]

Thanks guys--now that you explain it I do remember--just hadn't come up in a while.

From that save, it's not the average of the relation numbers, but need both to be friendly to make friendly work--or if you had 3 vassals would 2 friendly and 1 pleased make for friendly?

 

[r_rolo1]

It averages down, so if you have 1 vassal that is friendly with 14 others ( and yourself ) and pleased with one other vassal of yours, the average attitude will be pleased, hence WFYABTA

 

[Rusten]

You don't need mutual friendly. Or to be more precise it doesn't matter what Napoleon thinks about Pacal (for you to trade with Pacal) -- it only matters what Pacal thinks about Napoleon. You can bribe Napoleon into HR which should (combined with mutual war) get things done fairly soon.

I think I had a situation where a rival AI was friendly with me + 1 of my vassals and pleased with the other and IIRC I still got WFYABTA -- so friendly+friendly+pleased is pleased as well. Might want to get someone to look into files for that one though, my memory could be lacking.

x-post with r_rolo1

 

[ungy]

Rusten: good idea about the HR bribe--too bad I've already finished.

 

[hal08]

I almost lost a game due to this. Had Peter as a neighbor and friendly for a very long time. I started taking vassals on the other continent with most of my army there as well. Peter went into WHEOOHRN and I forgot about vassals affecting relations, but luckily he left WFEOOHRN.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

It's really cheesy and stupid - they need to display these modifiers properly of abolish them. I don't care which.