WH on NSA snooping: You can totally trust us.

Based on the posting thus far, it seems the WH is right. It seems people will totally trust them to only do nice things with this power and not be evil and underhanded like the previous admin was when they did the same things the current admin was once critical of. All this in spite of the fact the law this order was based on a) doesn't allow for a broad based dragnet and b) requires a slightly better reason why the government should get the records than #### you that's why.
I don't like it, but it is an improvement from the Bush administration. You won't get much support from a lot of conservatives that have been around here for a while because they thought bypassing FISA courts was a-ok.

Just look at the politicians:

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said on Thursday morning he's "glad" the National Security Agency is secretly collecting millions of telephone records from Americans in an effort to track down terrorism suspects.

“We are very much under threat," Graham said on "Fox & Friends," adding that he is a customer of Verizon, the communications company ordered to turn over the records to the government. "Radical Islam is on the rise throughout the region. Homegrown terrorism is one of my biggest concerns. It is happening in our own backyard, and I am glad that NSA is trying to find out what terrorists are up to overseas and inside the country."

Graham isn't the only Republican defending the Obama administration's broad surveillance program, which the Guardian newspaper exposed on Wednesday.

Ari Fleischer, President's George W. Bush's former press secretary, wrote on Twitter that Obama "is carrying out Bush's fourth term" with drone strikes, phone surveillance and Guantanamo Bay. "Just to be clear & so silent liberals understand, I support President O's anti-terror actions. They're bi-partisan now," he wrote.

Sen. Saxby Chambliss of Georgia told reporters the program is long-standing and legal.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/lindsey-graham-m-glad-nsa-collecting-phone-records-151211411.html
 
You think that NSA snooping is bad? There are a lot of private companies do that IT monitoring. Some have you sign a release acknowledging that nothing done while at work is private. Your emails and anything you send over the network is tracked. Essentially, anything that goes over their networks that can be monitored is fair game.

Well... yes. IT is not in any way the same as what the government does. You're at work, on their computer, being paid by them. OF course they have an absolute right to dictate how their computers are used and where you should go on the internet and what you should be doing and to monitor all of your internet activity while at work if they so choose. That's kind of a no brainer.

(Disclamer: I use logmein to remote in to my home system to post here while at work :) )

P.S. - Sprint FTW. Suck it, Verizon.
 
It really is disgusting how much power they gave themselves due to one successful terrorist attack. What is discouraging is we will never get rid of it, both parties, including the supposed "small government" party support it.
 
Sprint is almost Certainly subject to their own warrant. Don't assume for a moment that Verizon is the only carrier that was subject to this.

If I recall correctly, back when warrantless wiretapping was in the news T-Mobile was found to be the only carrier that told the Feds to get a warrant, like, you know, according to the rules.

They were the only corporation that put their clients' contracts provisions above the claimed national security letter imprimatur.
 
Well... yes. IT is not in any way the same as what the government does.

It's arguably worse and more of an invasion of privacy. They can use that information to make decisions about you that directly impact your life. A NSA security analyst isn't going to care that you looked a LOLCats, post to an internet forum, or checked your friend's Facebook status, etc. They are mostly monitoring for direct threats to national security. IT monitoring is much more Orwellian than that.

P.S. - Sprint FTW. Suck it, Verizon.

Do you really think the NSA won't demand the same thing from Sprint?
 
Anyway, given past experience here, be prepared for righties to come in this thread to proclaim that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.

Lefties don't really shy away from this argument either. I'm willing to allow that you might be an exception, but usually it's whoever happens to be "on top" that takes this stance. It's simply cowardly political expedience.
 
I think some people are under-estimating the power of the data collected here. In many ways, it's worse than tapping a call itself. The words spoken in a call can be disguised, subtle, require perhaps personal analysis and expertise. Human communication is nuanced. Metadata like this is what companies use to know everything about you online, what helped revolutionize baseball, and what revolutionized the police world. You know every single detail about the communication. What political organization, adult store, doctor, friend, lover, etc., down to location, time, and everything. It is the quintessential blackmail tool. If you have every piece of data except the conversation itself, the conversation is meaningless. It becomes unneeded. Everything else is known.
 
P.S. - Sprint FTW. Suck it, Verizon.

Sprint is almost Certainly subject to their own warrant. Don't assume for a moment that Verizon is the only carrier that was subject to this.

Do you really think the NSA won't demand the same thing from Sprint?

Hehe, sorry for the unrelated PS shout out for Sprint. That little Verizon slam had nothing to do with the topic at hand but rather my unlimited data plan with Sprint.
 
Well... yes. IT is not in any way the same as what the government does. You're at work, on their computer, being paid by them. OF course they have an absolute right to dictate how their computers are used and where you should go on the internet and what you should be doing and to monitor all of your internet activity while at work if they so choose. That's kind of a no brainer.
Would you ever work for such a company?

(Disclamer: I use logmein to remote in to my home system to post here while at work :) )
Yeah. I'm sure that would fool a keylogger they could very well have installed on your work computer, even if your remote computer access program uses sophisticated encryption. If they want to fire you and they do even any sort of cursory logging of what you do, your frequent posts in this forum would be sufficient reason alone regardless of the content of the posts. That is unless posting here is part of your job description.
 
Can you hear me now?
NSA has backdoor access to Internet companies' databases

A top-secret National Security Agency program gives the federal government surreptitious access to customer information held by Microsoft, Yahoo, Apple, Google, Facebook, and other Internet companies, according to two reports.

The program, code-named PRISM, reportedly allows NSA analysts to peruse exabytes of confidential user data held by Silicon Valley firms by typing in search terms. PRISM reports have been used in 1,477 items in President Obama's daily briefing last year, according to an internal presentation to the NSA's Signals Intelligence Directorate obtained by the Washington Post and the Guardian newspapers.

This afternoon's disclosure of PRISM follows a report yesterday that revealed the existence of another top-secret NSA program that vacuums up records of millions of phone calls made inside the United States.

Other companies that are part of PRISM include PalTalk, AOL, and soon Dropbox.

The NSA's direct access -- the FBI is used as an intermediary, but NSA analysts perform the searches -- appears to be the result of Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which authorizes secret court orders that force U.S. companies to turn over business records. That sweeps in metadata and also the content of confidential communications, including e-mail, video and voice chat, videos, and photos, the leaked presentation says.

The Washington Post said it received the classified PowerPoint slides about PRISM and other supporting documents from a "career intelligence officer" who wanted to "expose what he believes to be a gross intrusion on privacy." The documents are recent, with dates as recent as April 2013.

Here's more from the Post's report:

Analysts who use the system from a Web portal at Fort Meade key in "selectors," or search terms, that are designed to produce at least 51 percent confidence in a target's "foreignness." That is not a very stringent test. Training materials obtained by the Post instruct new analysts to submit accidentally collected U.S. content for a quarterly report, "but it's nothing to worry about." ...

Like market researchers, but with far more privileged access, collection managers in the NSA's Special Source Operations group, which oversees the PRISM program, are drawn to the wealth of information about their subjects in online accounts. For much the same reason, civil libertarians and some ordinary users may be troubled by the menu available to analysts who hold the required clearances to "task" the PRISM system.

There has been "continued exponential growth in tasking to Facebook and Skype," according to the 41 PRISM slides. With a few clicks and an affirmation that the subject is believed to be engaged in terrorism, espionage or nuclear proliferation, an analyst obtains full access to Facebook's "extensive search and surveillance capabilities against the variety of online social networking services."
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-5...kdoor-access-to-internet-companies-databases/
 
Heh, the wheels keep turning:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data

"The National Security Agency has obtained direct access to the systems of Google, Facebook, Apple and other US internet giants, according to a top secret document obtained by the Guardian.

The NSA access is part of a previously undisclosed program called PRISM, which allows them to collect material including search history, the content of emails, file transfers and live chats, the document says."

Edit: Double post
 
I think our government is great. I totally trust them. USA #1

Spoiler :
Note to NSA: I'm totally serious . . . honest
 
Anyway, given past experience here, be prepared for righties to come in this thread to proclaim that if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. If that happens, make it a sport and ask them to post their bank account numbers, social security number, and other such personal information. The sputtering response to that will be somewhat entertaining.

My twelve year old said that, while ABC news was broadcasting the story on World News with Diane Sawyer.
 
Really, how would they respond?

Google: Obama weak on terror

Fox News: Obama is dangerous, weak on terrorism, scared to go after terrorists

Following President Obama's speech on national security, Fox News decided to attack the president with claims that he is weak on foreign policy, retreating in the war on terror and afraid to go after terrorists.

It's really difficult to describe how dangerous it is for the United States to be led by a man like Barack Obama who is doing everything he can, not only to weaken us at home, weaken us abroad, but now he essentially is retreating. He's given up. He's accepting defeat. He's walking away. He's refusing to follow through in terms of the necessity to rid the world and the United States of the threat posed by al-Qaeda.

http://www.examiner.com/article/fox...ak-on-terrorism-scared-to-go-after-terrorists
 
...and people wonder why I'm a neo-luddite.
 
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