What are "American Values"?

superisis said:
Looking at that thread, I didn't see anything that was related to the Holy Inquisition. Just a list of some supposed popes (and widely acknowledged antipopes!) from several centuries ago, and some alleged "facts" about them.
 
Most people associate the Inquisition will torturing people. That's why it's got a bad rap.

I actually cannot list any American Values that are unique to America.
 
El_Machinae said:
I actually cannot list any American Values that are unique to America.
I don't understand this statement.:confused:
Can i say,"i can't list any Babylonian(or any civilization that ever existed) Values that are unique to Babylonia",for example?
 
Wasn't there a lot of torturing people for heterodoxy (ie believing something other than the exact approved position of the Church) and executing them in the Inquisition? I can't believe I am even bothering to say this, as all but the troll know this, but what the hey.

I also know what a "jihad" really is. The day after the September 11 attacks, my world religions professor did a special class on "jihad" in Islam.

Words whose meanings have been changed include heresy (at its root, just any belief) and cult (likewise). And "American values", which apparently once meant something.
 
El_Machinae said:
Most people associate the Inquisition will torturing people. That's why it's got a bad rap.
Do they associate men wearing turbans with buildings blowing up or Jews with ruthless greed and usury?

If you want to overblow stereotypes, go ahead, but be consistent through the religions.
 
Inqvisitor said:
Do they associate men wearing turbans with buildings blowing up or Jews with ruthless greed and usury?

If you want to overblow stereotypes, go ahead, but be consistent through the religions.

Yes, they do, but that isn't the point. It's true the entire Inquisition was a bloody affair that tortured innocent people, including Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Where's the stereotype in saying that the Inquisition did what it set out to do?
 
blackheart said:
Yes, they do, but that isn't the point. It's true the entire Inquisition was a bloody affair that tortured innocent people, including Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Where's the stereotype in saying that the Inquisition did what it set out to do?
That wasn't what it set out to do at all. And that's not what it did, except in a few rare cases where the Spanish government may used the name of the Inquisition for its own purposes. Even then it was hardly all that bloody. Instituting an inquisition was more of a peaceful way of investigating heresies and converting the people from their errors under Church authority, rather than entrusting such responsibilites to the bloodthirsty armies of states and empires.

The Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office of the Roman and Universal Inquisition primarily conducted scholastic and theological investigations and released documents under the pope in Rome. It was never in the business of torture.
 
Inqvisitor said:
That wasn't what it set out to do at all. And that's not what it did, except in a few rare cases where the Spanish government may used the name of the Inquisition for its own purposes. Even then it was hardly all that bloody. Instituting an inquisition was more of a peaceful way of investigating heresies and converting the people from their errors under Church authority, rather than entrusting such responsibilites to the bloodthirsty armies of states and empires.

The Supreme Sacred Congregation of the Holy Office of the Roman and Universal Inquisition primarily conducted scholastic and theological investigations and released documents under the pope in Rome. It was never in the business of torture.

Well, it seems like your head is too far in the sand to see anything but yourself, but I will keep on trying. Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_inquisition#Torture_techniques_used
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_inquisition#Death_tolls

And if wiki isn't good enough for you, YOU give me links that say otherwise.
 
Inqvisitor said:
Seriously people complain when I link news from the BNP, but here you source the hate group ADL, which is simply beyond rational debate.

The quotes can be found here, but they are from eyewitnesses at the Convention.
http://www.radioislam.net/bush/jewishpower.htm

A Jewish hate site is hardly factual. Find something that wasn't written by racist nutcases and designed by a five year old with wordpad.
 
Every religion can be deamed evil by past and/or current actions. The crusades weren't for no reason both sides faught for religious supremacy, Europe burned ( well the people did) for reasons of faith, the Inquisition tortured and killed untold numbers for religion, Salem witch trials, muslim terror atacks on the west, musin / hindu wars, christian cleansing of the new worlds heathens, catholics vs. protasins in Ireland, christian cleansing of Druids in the UK, ect. ect. What any of that has to do with american values escapes me.


Back on topic. Americas values of hard work, self determination, and being the best are slowly being pushed aside by the liberal socialist mindset of Europe. Why work hard when the gov. can give you everything you need. Why be the best when you can just get by with gov. handouts. Why do what you want to do when you can do nothing and live on welfare its easier and who cares if your living on the backs of others. This nation is going to pot. American values will be bliss in mediocraty and total reliance on the gov. because America is getting lazy and its young people will inheiret a nation with empty coffers not because of war spending but because of over spending on social porgrammes.

That may be overblown but the future don't look great.
 
blackheart said:
Well, it seems like your head is too far in the sand to see anything but yourself, but I will keep on trying. Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_inquisition#Torture_techniques_used
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_inquisition#Death_tolls

And if wiki isn't good enough for you, YOU give me links that say otherwise.

Read a book.

A Jewish hate site is hardly factual. Find something that wasn't written by racist nutcases and designed by a five year old with wordpad.
Exactly what I was saying regarding the ADL.
 
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