What are your thoughts on BitCoin?

Actually, the worst part of the crash is over.. For now. BTC aswell as ETH reached the lowest point in weeks, almost all Altcoins bled because of that. I don't think it's enough to say that "the bubble popped", but I think crypto in general has lost 2 Billion $ in terms of market cap in just a few days. OTOH it also gained 4 Billion $ mcap in about one week prior to that, therefore one might call this a correction. It may have even been necessary.
 
...For now

We are now officially in free-fall mode. Anything can happen. If enough people get scared, this could go down tonight. Or bleed 'til death slowly in the next few days. Or it'll just recover again. No matter what, if I had more than just a few hundred in crypto right now I would be sullying my pants.
 
This has got me wondering, how many bubbles have a clearly defined popping moment? Like I know we can point to '29 and the day tulip mania exploded but how often do things play out dramatically in a day versus a general protracted decline?
 
I hope the bleed lasts for a while.
 
It looks like it's going down right now. Is the boom over or will it go back up again?
Looks like it's already recovering, was a bit hit tho, especially for altcoins. Lost about 10k overnight, recovered about 3k already
 
This has got me wondering, how many bubbles have a clearly defined popping moment? Like I know we can point to '29 and the day tulip mania exploded but how often do things play out dramatically in a day versus a general protracted decline?
Not sure why people keep talking about tulips, it's a poor parallel
 
We are now officially in free-fall mode. Anything can happen. If enough people get scared, this could go down tonight. Or bleed 'til death slowly in the next few days. Or it'll just recover again. No matter what, if I had more than just a few hundred in crypto right now I would be sullying my pants.
People won't panic, bitcoins at under 10k feels like a steal and it's hard not to buy.

This has happened before. And remember etherium's "omg end of world crash price" is still like 5000% higher than its price a year ago
 
People won't panic, bitcoins at under 10k feels like a steal and it's hard not to buy.

This has happened before. And remember etherium's "omg end of world crash price" is still like 5000% higher than its price a year ago

And I bet you have thrown more of your money into it, again. That's the trap that gets most tulip traders. A few will make it out big, most lose. Keep in mind that there cryptofrauds are closed systems, moneywise: for every dollar actually paid for it by the buyer (put into the system, if you will), a seller is getting a dollar "out of the system" simultaneously. The net result must always be zero.

The buying and selling of an actual good also moves money around, but the fact that the good is eventually consumed make it different: the producers only sell, the traders buy lower and sell higher, the consumers buy and consume (do not sell). There is a real "money transfer" from consumers to traders and producers that is sustained by the transfer of goods and that is acknowledged as a feature of this system by every participant: producers and traders are expected to win money, consumers to spend.

Cryptotoys and other speculative assets are not consumed, only traded. In bitcoin's case there is an interesting twist in that there are producers ("miners"). But there are no consumers, cryptotoys does got get consumed, only passed around (and sometimes lost). Yet no one expects to lose money on this system. And people expect to win money from it. Obviously, for some to pocket real money, others must lose real money. Even if the value of the particular cryptotoy would have to keep rising to infinity with more and more people "buying into it", there would still have to be people selling and walking out with the dollars. Either producers ("miners") or traders. The idea that everyone can win by jumping into the speculative bubble (any speculative bubble, mind you) is mathematically false. I do know this is basic stuff, but it's never too much to repeat it.
Only if the thing being speculated on has some use can people at least avoid being badly burned, for in the end they can still have something to show for it. Land speculation may make sense because land is useful and eventually gets, if not actually consumed, locked into use for a long time and taken off market (built on, etc). So the only justification for speculating on rising "value" of cryptotoys was that they would prove to be useful. As currency or whatever. But the opposite has been shown: whatever use they had as currency has been abandoned. The sole goal of people trading on it is selling it higher, taking real money out of the system. Obviously, they cannot ever take more than was put into it.

Funny how even the the physiocrats got the workings of the world more right than some modern peddlers of financial snake-oil... but they had their John Laws back then too.
 
There is a staggering number in the tens of billions that were just lost. It is running on drudge.

It is so bad that there are are people mortgaging their homes to buy cryptocurrency.
 
Every real dollar lost on this by someone was pocketed by someone else.
Those alleged losses mostly relate to "valuation" changes that were never actually traded in money.
 
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That's total market cap from https://coinmarketcap.com/charts/ . Not sure how reliable the source is, but that drop is pretty scary. Maybe not unprecedented? But still pretty big. Personally I'd say that "this time it's different", and actually the market will level off well below it's previous peak.
 
CMC is likely the single best source you will get. I agree with Cassius, there was/is heavy manipulation going on, but historically there has been a "crash" every January 14th (ofc with fluctuations, but roughly mid Jan) so it is to take with a grain of salt. Still, it is not entirely unrealistic that the entire crypto market will suffer for the next few weeks and BTC will go back to pre-Dezember or pre-November state, same for ETH.
 
Here's the thing - if you know there is manipulation, and you also know you are not one of the people doing the manipulation and have no knowledge of what they're doing, why the hell would you invest in this stuff? The people who are going to win are going to be the manipulators; the losers will be everyone else.
 
Here's the thing - if you know there is manipulation, and you also know you are not one of the people doing the manipulation and have no knowledge of what they're doing, why the hell would you invest in this stuff? The people who are going to win are going to be the manipulators; the losers will be everyone else.

Everyone who has done proper research, is not too emotionally invested and assesses risk/reward correctly can make a decent amount of money in this market. Yes, it is to some degree luck based. Yes, it is to some degree unpredictable. But that's what stop-loss orders are for, right? There are ways to double, triple, quintuple your investments in a matter of weeks, but those are very risky. There are ways to make a trickle income (that might still be higher than the money made off of stocks) while taking close to zero risk by trading back into FIAT, since FIAT is stable. Your view is overly simplistic and black and white, the market is insanely complex and can be abused in a whole spectrum of different ways.
 
Stop-loss orders that can't execute in time because "reasons" aren't exactly something to fall back on, are they? This is the fundamental problem with a largely unregulated marketplace - you're trusting traditional marketplace mechanics to keep you afloat, but there is quite literally nothing to prevent your fail-safes from malfunctioning.

Everyone who has done proper research, is not too emotionally invested and assesses risk/reward correctly can make a decent amount of money in this market.

Which is fine, and which can be said about any number of investment vehicles. There is always a lot of money to be made in risky investments if one can invest dispassionately.

But people who are investing in this stuff, at least on this forum, appear to be emotionally invested. They'll argue at length, as you and others have done, about how awesome and useful crypto is, how wonderful this "new" technology is, etc. I don't see dispassionate investors, in other words, I see people insisting the market is "insanely complex" when really it's just a market built on nothing like every other bubble market that has left ordinary investors holding the bag. And I certainly see nothing that indicates either people who have done proper research, or who have assessed risk/reward in any kind of rigorous fashion.

This isn't any different than any other market, except for the fact that it is relatively unregulated. Which merely means the manipulators will get away with a lot more of the everyday investors' money. This isn't an analysis that rests on complexity or simplicty. It's a basic fact about how the world works.
 
Must plant the tulips I was given in December before it is too late and spring is too far advanced.
 
But people who are investing in this stuff, at least on this forum, appear to be emotionally invested. They'll argue at length, as you and others have done, about how awesome and useful crypto is, how wonderful this "new" technology is, etc.

Honestly, you're being delusional. I have made many comments ITT about how many altcoins are vaporware, about the market being basically the equivalent of betting on horses, about the pitfalls of the blockchain technology, especially though about the pitfalls of BitCoin, about market volatility, about its likelyhood to crash, about how it is being manipulated and many other negative points have been raised by me and others. The picture you paint is entirely untrue, even the people "defending" crypto have admitted to many weaknesses and fatal flaws.
 
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