What could disprove your religious beliefs?
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Muslims actually feared the coming of the Messiah? Very interesting indeed
Still funny...
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Originally posted by Phydeaux
Maybe 1 thing, if you could prove that all the things that God did in my life was not God but something or some one else.
What did God do in your life? It's not an offensive question.
floppa21
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Yah, what exactly has God done in your life?
I know in my life He replenished my refrigerator with food when I was growing up and provided me with clothing and an adequate education. He blessed me with friends and family. He gave me the opportunity to meet all you wonderful people on this forum.
I could go on and on. Really, I could.
I know in my life He replenished my refrigerator with food when I was growing up and provided me with clothing and an adequate education. He blessed me with friends and family. He gave me the opportunity to meet all you wonderful people on this forum.
I could go on and on. Really, I could.
e_a_olson
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What could disprove your, err, my religious beliefs? Nothing.
Well...
1 Seeing whats going to happen before it happens.
2 God speeking to me.
3 God healing me.
4 God just showing me what to do.
5 My spirit being tuched by the holy spirit (God) When that happens I shake and some times fall to the ground.
6 Speeking in tungs, knowing what people say in tungs and anything that has to do with tungs.
I could go on and on...
These things have happend to alot of other people I know too.
1 Seeing whats going to happen before it happens.
2 God speeking to me.
3 God healing me.
4 God just showing me what to do.
5 My spirit being tuched by the holy spirit (God) When that happens I shake and some times fall to the ground.
6 Speeking in tungs, knowing what people say in tungs and anything that has to do with tungs.
I could go on and on...
These things have happend to alot of other people I know too.
Phydeaux, this thread is about what could disprove your religious beliefs.
Wouldn't those things that you listed do exactly the opposite of that?
Regards
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Wouldn't those things that you listed do exactly the opposite of that?
Regards
.Originally posted by FredLC
Phydeaux, this thread is about what could disprove your religious beliefs.
Wouldn't those things that you listed do exactly the opposite of that?
Regards
I was saying thats what you need to disprove as I said. Plz read the forum before you post.
Wait, wait, wait, wait...
You said what people would need to disproove to you?
Now I get it... but really, your way of saying it was rather confusing. It looked way more as if you were saying 'this is what would have to happen" instead of "this is what will have to be proven wrong".
You said what people would need to disproove to you?
Now I get it... but really, your way of saying it was rather confusing. It looked way more as if you were saying 'this is what would have to happen" instead of "this is what will have to be proven wrong".
Quasar1011
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Perhaps I will change some of my beliefs. But I won't change my convictions.
From Webster:
Main Entry: con·vic·tion
Pronunciation: k&n-'vik-sh&n
Function: noun
Date: 15th century
1 : the act or process of convicting of a crime especially in a court of law
2 a : the act of convincing a person of error or of compelling the admission of a truth b : the state of being convinced of error or compelled to admit the truth
3 a : a strong persuasion or belief b : the state of being convinced
synonym see CERTAINTY, OPINION
So beliefs are not necessarily certain, whereas convictions are.
A belief can be stated, "I believe this to be true." Whereas a conviction would be stated, "I know this to be true." One does not die for their beliefs; but occasionally, one will die for their convictions.
From Webster:
Main Entry: con·vic·tion
Pronunciation: k&n-'vik-sh&n
Function: noun
Date: 15th century
1 : the act or process of convicting of a crime especially in a court of law
2 a : the act of convincing a person of error or of compelling the admission of a truth b : the state of being convinced of error or compelled to admit the truth
3 a : a strong persuasion or belief b : the state of being convinced
synonym see CERTAINTY, OPINION
So beliefs are not necessarily certain, whereas convictions are.
A belief can be stated, "I believe this to be true." Whereas a conviction would be stated, "I know this to be true." One does not die for their beliefs; but occasionally, one will die for their convictions.
cgannon64
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Proving or disproving the existense of Jesus is a trivial matter and besides the point. The difficult and nearly impossible thing to prove is his divinity. Aye theres the rub.
Actually, proving that Jesus never existed is a very important matter - if he didn't exist, then he can't be divine!
But, I understand your point - proving Jesus never existed isn't very likely to happen, because if it did, it would involve some grand Roman-Judeo conspiracy theory to trick us.
BUT, proving Jesus as not divine is also very hard, considering that is harder to disprove the point then it is to prove it. I mean, how does one prove someone is normal?
Proving or disproving the existense of Jesus is a trivial matter and besides the point. The difficult and nearly impossible thing to prove is his divinity. Aye theres the rub.
Actually, proving that Jesus never existed is a very important matter - if he didn't exist, then he can't be divine!
But, I understand your point - proving Jesus never existed isn't very likely to happen, because if it did, it would involve some grand Roman-Judeo conspiracy theory to trick us.
BUT, proving Jesus as not divine is also very hard, considering that is harder to disprove the point then it is to prove it. I mean, how does one prove someone is normal?
Archer 007
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Pontiuth Pilate
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Didn't they also brick up the door/gate the Messiah was supposed to ride that donkey through? 
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My religion would be proven false if it was proved that Jesus never existed or that he was nothing like how the gospels describes him. I don't mean insignificant details like divinity or resurrection, but if it was proven that he was an evil person. To prove this I think we need to find out how to do time travels first.
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I will tell you what experience did disprove my religious beliefs (copied from another thread):
I was raised as a protestant. When I was 15 or so, I started using the bible intensively, especially to explain things around. I had a great time working out several society topics. I got great help from the church organization and two referends. I was even thinking about becoming one. Most of time we were discussing about almost anything. When I was 17, someone in my neighbourhood committed suicide, to save his wife and daughter from the terrible man he was every once or while (multi personality syndrom, not to be confused with schyzofrenia). This made me think. It was the very first time I thought: If there was a god, this would not have happened. From this moment I started thinking: Is God there? Is there a go at all? Why God? Why not Allah, or those Hinduh spirits? Can there be a god?
Within several months I came to this conlcusion:
It is completely impossible there is a god
No doubt about it. The bible contradicts itself in many ways. It contradicts with known facts. Though some parts are brilliant and can help people a lot, other parts are simply unfair, cruel or hopelessly silly!
Is there something that can make me change my 'opinion' again?
Probably not.
I was raised as a protestant. When I was 15 or so, I started using the bible intensively, especially to explain things around. I had a great time working out several society topics. I got great help from the church organization and two referends. I was even thinking about becoming one. Most of time we were discussing about almost anything. When I was 17, someone in my neighbourhood committed suicide, to save his wife and daughter from the terrible man he was every once or while (multi personality syndrom, not to be confused with schyzofrenia). This made me think. It was the very first time I thought: If there was a god, this would not have happened. From this moment I started thinking: Is God there? Is there a go at all? Why God? Why not Allah, or those Hinduh spirits? Can there be a god?
Within several months I came to this conlcusion:
It is completely impossible there is a god
No doubt about it. The bible contradicts itself in many ways. It contradicts with known facts. Though some parts are brilliant and can help people a lot, other parts are simply unfair, cruel or hopelessly silly!
Is there something that can make me change my 'opinion' again?
Probably not.
Well, as Stapel gave a serious answer, so will I, just to avoid a certain impression that is very common, that is that atheists "left God" due to a traumatic experience of some sort.
I was born and raised catholic, have studied religion in my mother's church, and have made my first communion and everything.
When my mother sent me to study in that church, she had no idea of the mistake she was making, because through living next to people so closely related to God and his ways, I managed to realize that they didn't know any better than every other mortal.
So, the aura of divinity and dignity that priests once had were, for me, shattered. They were just like other man, and as I realized that, I begun to realize that if the man that speaks for God, today, are not special, so maybe the man that spoke for him 2000 years ago also weren't.
Than came the most important event; in an afternoon, a num said the most idiotic thing I ever heard in my life; that we were to watch our thoughts very closely, because even thinking of sinning was sinning already.
I instantly realized the silliness and the danger of such idea. Police for thoughts. I couldn't believe that there were people in the world trying to install breaks in my mind. I always treasured free thinking and rationality too much to accept that sort of claim. And, from that day on, I was lost to religion forever.
Free from strains, and now without any previous set of information that I had to validate, walking the path from non-practicing catholic, to faithful without religion, to pantheist, to agnostic, and finally to atheist, well, it was a matter of time. Because when we look with impartial eyes, it's hard to validate any claim religion, or faith, makes.
Well, that's my happy little story. I guess when my mother sent me to church in order to give me spiritual guidance, she would never really imagine exactly how sucessful she would be...
Regards.
I was born and raised catholic, have studied religion in my mother's church, and have made my first communion and everything.
When my mother sent me to study in that church, she had no idea of the mistake she was making, because through living next to people so closely related to God and his ways, I managed to realize that they didn't know any better than every other mortal.
So, the aura of divinity and dignity that priests once had were, for me, shattered. They were just like other man, and as I realized that, I begun to realize that if the man that speaks for God, today, are not special, so maybe the man that spoke for him 2000 years ago also weren't.
Than came the most important event; in an afternoon, a num said the most idiotic thing I ever heard in my life; that we were to watch our thoughts very closely, because even thinking of sinning was sinning already.
I instantly realized the silliness and the danger of such idea. Police for thoughts. I couldn't believe that there were people in the world trying to install breaks in my mind. I always treasured free thinking and rationality too much to accept that sort of claim. And, from that day on, I was lost to religion forever.
Free from strains, and now without any previous set of information that I had to validate, walking the path from non-practicing catholic, to faithful without religion, to pantheist, to agnostic, and finally to atheist, well, it was a matter of time. Because when we look with impartial eyes, it's hard to validate any claim religion, or faith, makes.
Well, that's my happy little story. I guess when my mother sent me to church in order to give me spiritual guidance, she would never really imagine exactly how sucessful she would be...
Regards
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HannibalBarka
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Well, as Stapel and FredLC gave a serious answer, so will I.
I was born and raised muslim, even though my family wasn't very religious. I studied Islam at school and read books about other religion (Christianity, Judaism, Budhism and antique religion: Egypt, Greece, Rome...). I also studied philosophy and math, and actually was good in them. And then, I started questioning religion.
First of all, I founded really bizarre, unfare and statistically impossible that all the prophets appeared in the same confined area of the Middle East. For those who do not know about Islam, Muslim believe in all the prophets listed in the Bible (Noah, Abraham, Moises, Jesus...) + Mohammad. I was thinking, hey why no prophet showed in Chine, India or Amazonia ? Isn't unfair for these people not have a single prophet and be burned in hell ? How is that just ? How could a loving and just God do this ? Since then I am an atheist.
I now think religion is just a way some people use to feel better and have answers for unanswerable qeustion like what are we, where do we come from, what'a after death and why do we live ? It's just like astrology. It helps some to get over their fear of the Unkown.
I was born and raised muslim, even though my family wasn't very religious. I studied Islam at school and read books about other religion (Christianity, Judaism, Budhism and antique religion: Egypt, Greece, Rome...). I also studied philosophy and math, and actually was good in them. And then, I started questioning religion.
First of all, I founded really bizarre, unfare and statistically impossible that all the prophets appeared in the same confined area of the Middle East. For those who do not know about Islam, Muslim believe in all the prophets listed in the Bible (Noah, Abraham, Moises, Jesus...) + Mohammad. I was thinking, hey why no prophet showed in Chine, India or Amazonia ? Isn't unfair for these people not have a single prophet and be burned in hell ? How is that just ? How could a loving and just God do this ? Since then I am an atheist.
I now think religion is just a way some people use to feel better and have answers for unanswerable qeustion like what are we, where do we come from, what'a after death and why do we live ? It's just like astrology. It helps some to get over their fear of the Unkown.
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Well I think its pretty conclusive that there was someone by the name of Jesus who was preaching at that time and place and said some things. Arent there Roman records that prove he existed? Maybe there is, maybe not, but for me the crux of the matter is his divinity. We know for a fact that there was a man named David Koresh preaching in Texas a few years ago who claimed to be the son of god and that quite a few people belived him and were quite prepared to die for him and some did. Was Jesus divine? Was Koresh? Why not me or you? Arent we all gods children? Why would Jesus or Koresh be any more the son of god than me or you? Jesus supposedly proved his divinity by coming back from the dead and performing other miracles, but thats all hearsay, theres no objective proof. What would change my religious beliefs would be proof that Jesus really was divine. I have a firm belief in god that Ive come to on my own, I rejected the bible and everything in it (as a spiritual text, I think the King James is great literature), so if all of a sudden I had proof that Jesus was what people said he was, that would really rock my world and force me to start back at square one.
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