What do you consider to be the most abhorent atrocity in human history?

[Fox Mccloud]

That would be "other"

It definately deserves a place on the poll. It was more successful than the holocaust.

 

[Xanikk999]

Maybe because they were not genocides?

Well your right they werent genocides. Because we didnt seek to exterminate the native american race but we still killed native american women and children. But its not like thats uncommon in human history.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

Good point. If you include the american slaughter of indian tribes you have to include the spanish conquest of tenochitlan also.

Yes, I mean the whole genocide.

Maybe because they were not genocides?

Yes, and that, my friend, is why they make up only 2% of the population.

 

[MobBoss]

Do you even know what the mongols did to the chinese when they refused to surrender?

Thats part of my point. The holocaust has been very much seen by our generation with pictures and tv specials.

Not so what the mongols did. Or Stalin or Mao for that matter.

But pretty much everyone has seen pics of the german death camps and what went on inside.

 

[Turner]

Columbus coming to the "New" world. We'd been here for seventeen thousand years before he came over.

 

[nonconformist]

I seem to remember reading as high as 90 million under Mao?

A lot of which weren't due to a deliberate effort to, but as a result of incompetance and failed planning.

I'd also rank Cambodia high up.
Teh annihilation of people because of their education, or the fact that they wear glasses is sickening.
Even more so that the US supported the Khmer Rouge.

 

[Lambert Simnel]

No option for the invasion of Iraq or the election of Bush ? Phew, for once we can have a thread not getting derailed by that particular argument - just as long as no-one mentions it....

 

[ComradeDavo]

Maybe because they were not genocides?

This poll isn't about genoicides. It's about atrocities. I'd say that the treatment of Native Americans was an atrocity.

 

[Perfection]

It definately deserves a place on the poll. It was more successful than the holocaust.

Well, that's the whole point of an other option. Because people might have left something out.

I can think of a few other atrocities that probobly are on par with the stuff on the poll too?

And what about the Jesus thing?

 

[Xanikk999]

The aztec subjugation of surrounding tribes and thier ritual sacrifices should be included also. The slaughtered many prisoners if not hundreds or thousands regularly.

Maybe a couple hundred every couple days though. But they always slaughtered at least a couple every day.

The reason for that is they thought the sun would not rise if they didnt give blood offerings to thier gods.

 

[Sidhe]

A lot of which weren't due to a deliberate effort to, but as a result of incompetance and failed planning.

I'd also rank Cambodia high up.
Teh annihilation of people because of their education, or the fact that they wear glasses is sickening.
Even more so that the US supported the Khmer Rouge.

I put China in their but active murder of your people as oposed to general incompetence are not the same ball park IMO so I agree. I mean uranium mines where your life expectancy was a month, not a nice man Stalin.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

This poll isn't about genoicides. It's about atrocities. I'd say that the treatment of Native Americans was an atrocity.

It was more successful than the Holocaust.

the Holocaust was terrible, but even today we still have millions of Jews living all over the world, the Hebrew Language has been revived, and they even have their own country.

The Native Americans don't have all that.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Since murder and destruction on a large scale is pretty much the same regardless of how its done or why the target populations was selected, I choose Mao because he probably killed the most.

 

[Sidhe]

The aztec subjugation of surrounding tribes and thier ritual sacrifices should be included also. The slaughtered many prisoners if not hundreds or thousands regularly.

Maybe a couple hundred every couple days though. But they always slaughtered at least a couple every day.

The reason for that is they thought the sun would not rise if they didnt give blood offerings to thier gods.

You forgot to mention that many people actually went willingly to be scarificed to save there peope from starvation or whatever other problem the tribe was having, nah that's not an atrocity, it's just religous stupidity, if we had to put reliogously ******** practices down we'd have 200 options not 15

I seem to remember in a particularly bad famine that over 20,000 aztecs were slaughtered to the Sun God in one day, their hearts torn out and corpses thrown down the steps of the temples. That's alot of blood. Being very incompassionate one could at least say it solved the famine cricis for a while

 

[Xanikk999]

It was more successful than the Holocaust.

the Holocaust was terrible, but even today we still have millions of Jews living all over the world, the Hebrew Language has been revived, and they even have their own country.

The Native Americans don't have all that.

The native americans had several succesful battles against us.

The worst american defeat was probably the battle called custers last stand.

General Custer of a cavalry brigade was defeated by a technologically inferior sioux battalion.

 

[nonconformist]

It was more successful than the Holocaust.

the Holocaust was terrible, but even today we still have millions of Jews living all over the world, the Hebrew Language has been revived, and they even have their own country.

The Native Americans don't have all that.

Wait.....you know the Jewish race was practically exterminated from Europe?
Even today they consitute a sizable majority compared to other religions?

 

[MobBoss]

Yes, I mean the whole genocide.



Yes, and that, my friend, is why I've never met an American Indian in my whole life. It's also the reason we never see them, and it's also the reason why they make up only 2% of the population.

Please. You base it upon whether you see an indian in your daily life? Where do you live?

Here where I live in Washington State I see scads of them each and every day. Heck, just go to a casino. The Indian lobby, with casino money, is one of the most powerful lobbys in this state.

And I am VERY willing to bet that the 2% of the population is only purebred indian. A much more substantial percentage has some measure of indian blood in them. Hell, I have a portion of cherokee indian heritage from my mothers side of the familiy (about 1/8 or 1/16s), but I am Irish as hell.

The indians were bred into our nation, not exterminated as an attempt on genocide.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

The aztec subjugation of surrounding tribes and thier ritual sacrifices should be included also. The slaughtered many prisoners if not hundreds or thousands regularly.

Maybe a couple hundred every couple days though. But they always slaughtered at least a couple every day.

The reason for that is they thought the sun would not rise if they didnt give bloood offerings to thier gods.

It wasn't so common among North American peoples. What the Spanish should have done is civilized them, not kill tem all.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

Wait.....you know the Jewish race was practically exterminated from Europe?
Even today they consitute a sizable majority compared to other religions?

I don't think the Jews were ever a majority, at least compared to Christians and Muslims, etc.

I didn't say that teh Holocaust was good, just the Jews have a lot more now than the Native Americans.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

The native americans had several succesful battles against us.

The worst american defeat was probably the battle called custers last stand.

General Custer of a cavalry brigade was defeated by a technologically inferior sioux battalion.

I know this. That doesn't mean we didn't slaughter Native Americans though.