What does it take for me to get into Heaven?

I'm talking about original sin, but hey, when we're discussing masochistic mythology, all's fair in love and war.

God created original sin and then apparently has punished people for it ever since. Yeah, that's the image of God I want to worship.
 
Well, fine. But how do you know this for sure? (Beyond the Bible - which may very well not all be true. And how would you know if it were all true?)

(I'm not going to get an answer to this. So I shall give up, soon.)

I will answer to the best of my ability.

Like I have said already, things have happened, are happening, and will happen like the Bible has said.If you just look around the whole Creation, you will see that everything is exactly as the Bible has described it, therefore it must be true.

But perhaps the best way to have greater belief the Bible is true, just believe it, and, following it's directions, witness God's life changing power, and you will realize that God is real and that the Bible is true.
 
No one deserves to die.

Yes, the government is wrong to execute people. What do you think this is? Are we not civilized?

"Evil ways"? Really? What sort of people do you associate with?

You should watch madvikings video. Go on, watch it, please.
 
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El Mac. I have been pondering about the infinite blissful heaven by limited amount of experience which can be stored. And while I can see that in theory there can be such a thing as an eternal blissful afterlife, I am still a little lost in the: "what's the point?" side of the equation.

Is (the possibility of) existence in itself reason enough to exist?

I am also wondering: would I be aware of the fact that I am in blissful eternity or does that also need to be suppressed to make the experience seem ... authentic. I find it very hard to put into words that which is nagging me about a matrix-like perpetual state of pointless existence. Is experiencing bliss enough point to be?

I can't get my head around all of this.
 
Well, let's unpack. You call the existence 'pointless'. What makes an 'unpointless' existence? If a friend of yours was seeking counsel on whether to have another child, would you reply "why bring another pointless life into the world?". What would be the point of another child?

What is it about your life right now that prevents it from being pointless?
 
Well, let's unpack. You call the existence 'pointless'. What makes an 'unpointless' existence? If a friend of yours was seeking counsel on whether to have another child, would you reply "why bring another pointless life into the world?". What would be the point of another child?
Well, I wouldn't say that ... I might think it though.

What is it about your life right now that prevents it from being pointless?
This assumes I feel there is a point to living. Instead of trying to get through the ordeal as pleasantly as possible. I'd be hard-pressed to find an answer to what's the point of life. But since I am here anyway, I'd say it's to enjoy it.
 
I do have to wonder why you've elected to subscribe to such an unappealing and biblically suspect school of Christian Thought?
Also, out of all the people you could have picked, I'm supposed to feel bad that Thomas Jefferson is in hell?

Really? Thomas Jefferson was like the best non-Christian ever;)

Too bad he was a deist and so short of a deathbed conversion would not have been saved:sad:
 
Thomas Jefferson was like the best non-Christian ever

If you add 'slave owner' to that I may agree, but now you're just insulting the numerous people of other religions who did not keep humans as livestock (although he probably didn't treat it EDIT: them (now I'm thinking like a slave owner too already :rolleyes:) like that, that doesn't make it an any less humiliating experience).
 
Karma is a consideration one must consider. In India (the cradel of many faiths) karma as a concept is in link with how good your next life be. The idea in Hinduism is to life a good enough live to recarnate in such a way as to escape the cycle. Bhuddism issues the idea of getting out of the cycle via enlightment... a concept which best described as "waking up" so to speak.

Karma has more chance to get you good results then mear believe, although end results are given by the faiths.

In relation must also be the Jewish reaction to the concept of Heaven. From the BBC...


Be good in your life. That is a basic let honest path.
 
Thomas Jefferson was illumined mind. That guy was living in Heaven while he was on Earth. I have no worry about him.

And about Jeffersons slaves, I strongly doubt it was a humiliating experience. They probably were better off at his estate then free in racist society all around.
 
Yeah, Ziggy, if you cannot perceive a 'point' to living, it's a tough question to answer. That said, I've not heard any good theological answers, either. Now, once you're alive, there's a clear point to living. But the point of going from nothing to something? Not easily answered
 
Well at least it's a comfort that I'm not struggling with the easy questions in life :) edit: after life more like ...

Do you have a defined 'point' to living (don't have to specify if you don't want)
 
And about Jeffersons slaves, I strongly doubt it was a humiliating experience. They probably were better off at his estate then free in racist society all around.

Which didn't prevent Jefferson from employing them as free men, which he could perfectly have done.
It's hard for me to imagine a life without any freedom at all, but perhaps it's indeed not bad if you're born into it. Noone of us has any experience of it probably.


It takes about $50 to get into Heaven.

Price of an indulgence?
 
Starting of as an atheist, what are the changes I have to make in my life to make it through the pearly gates?

Question is asked purely out of interest of the requirements, not because I am looking to be converted or fearful about my afterlife. I am very comfortable about my non-belief thank you very much. But lets pretend that I am willing to convert. I'll be looking for the changes in my attitude, my morality and my day to day activities.

I'll be also not taking anyone's word for granted nor am I looking for ambiguity. Please be specific and motivate your answer.

Cheers.

the golden rule - dont matter if you're the most saintly of the saints or the most vocal atheist

Heaven aint where people go when they die, its tied in with our creation myths and represents levels or tiers in our "sky". I associate the heavens with the planets, turns the Enuma Elish, Genesis and Dante's Inferno into very interesting reads ;)
 
Thomas Jefferson on Book of Revelation (you got to love this):
Regarding the Bible's Book of Revelation Thomas Jefferson did not believe it was from God, but thought it was from a lunatic! In a letter to General Alexander Smyth dated January 17, 1825 Jefferson wrote that he “considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams. I was, therefore, well pleased to see, in your first proof sheet, that it was said to be not the production of St. John, but of Cerinthus, a century after the death of that apostle. Yet the change of the author's name does not lessen the extravagances of the composition; and come they from whomsoever they may, I cannot so far respect them as to consider them as an allegorical narrative of events, past or subsequent. There is not coherence enough in them to countenance any suite of rational ideas. You will judge, therefore, from this how impossible I think it that either your explanation or that of any man in 'the heavens above, or on the earth beneath,' can be a correct one. What has no meaning admits no explanation; and pardon me if I say, with the candor of friendship, that I think your time too valuable, and your understanding of too high an order, to be wasted on these paralogisms. You will perceive, I hope, also, that I do not consider them as revelations of the Supreme Being, whom I would not so far blaspheme as to impute to Him a pretension of revelation, couched at the same time in terms which, He would know, were never to be understood by those whom they were addressed.”
 
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