What in the World? Why so many insane regulations?

[sophie]

Huh?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Chain_of_Being

Don't you dare subvert God's elegant classifiction of all things with your blasphemous PROTESTANTISM! You shall be the catalyst for the end of times, heathen dog!

 

[Ajidica]

Because you can't abuse your kid. This is a case of Non-stupid regulation.

You said parenting should be the realm of the parents, not the government. Why should the government be intervening in was is ostentiably a parenting decision? Or are you agreeing that the reality is more complex then your sound bite?

First of all, I didn't say "You couldn't be held guilty" either, I simply said its impossible to obey US law all the time (There are far too many laws to remember.)

As Bill pointed out, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Not to mention it is quite vague...

I don't see how it gets clearer then:

Let he who resist the governing authorities resist who God has appointed

(Well, and its like one of my least favorite Bible passages, and ESPECIALLY when CH tries to use it, but that's another matter.)

So bible verses are ranked according to importance?

This isn't how Orderly Anarchy works...

That is anarcho-capitalism. There is no government to protect your rights yet the hierarchical structure is still maintained; just transfered to a non-elected or representative authority.

 

[Communisto]

Especially RIGHT-WING Anarchists

Que?

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[Ajidica]

Anarcho-Capitalists.
The State is bad. Long live the Corporation.

 

[Communisto]

Anarcho-Capitalists.
The State is bad. Long live the Corporation.

People really consider that legitimate?

 

[Ajidica]

Aparently Dommy and Abegweit do.

 

[GhostWriter16]

For the last time, I'm not an anarchist yet, and anarcho-capitalism is much more anti-corporation than what we have now.

However, the state is worse than a corporation. The state is more like a monopoly.

 

[Ajidica]

Really? And what does a state have a monopoly on?

 

[sophie]

Really? And what does a state have a monopoly on?

The right to exercise force legally. Other than that, not much....

 

[Ajidica]

We have Blackwater/Xe/whatever they are called now.
We have private individuals able to excercise force with the Castle Doctrine.

 

[sophie]

We have Blackwater/Xe/whatever they are called now.
We have private individuals able to excercise force with the Castle Doctrine.

I was citing the technical political science definition of a state.

 

[Traitorfish]

For the last time, I'm not an anarchist yet, and anarcho-capitalism is much more anti-corporation than what we have now.

In theory. In practice, they really have no substantial proposals that would end in anything other than a series of private statelets.

However, the state is worse than a corporation. The state is more like a monopoly.

Why does that necessarily suggest that it is worse? The democratic state after all, a mutually owned corporation, with a number of obligations towards its "shareholders". Sure enough, most contemporary states fall short of meeting these obligations, sometimes by a great distance, but is that necessarily an essential feature of the state?

 

[Smellincoffee]

I'd rather have too much regulation than not enough. Short of a shotgun, government regulations are the only defense people have against the monied interests. The calorie count is good idea: make restaurants accountable for the sh-tuff they try to pass off as food.

The page lost my respect from its opening sentences.

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

@Dommy. Romans 13:1-7 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

By resisting the government, you are in effect resisting God. God has placed people in authority for our protection.

Wow, God is one cruel dude for putting such monsters in power. You have the apostle Paul flat out telling us that revolution is against God's will. We must conclude then, that democracy itself is un-Biblical and therefore against God's will (using your logic anyway) because revolution is what put it in place. This is why religion is so dangerous: it fosters the sort of thinking that allows totalitarian governments to continue to exist far longer than they should. /rant

 

[GhostWriter16]

Wow, God is one cruel dude for putting such monsters in power. You have the apostle Paul flat out telling us that revolution is against God's will. We must conclude then, that democracy itself is un-Biblical and therefore against God's will (using your logic anyway) because revolution is what put it in place. This is why religion is so dangerous: it fosters the sort of thinking that allows totalitarian governments to continue to exist far longer than they should. /rant

I think I'll not comment, since I'd rather let Classical_hero try to answer it....

I personally don't try to quote intentionally vague like this.

However, I will say that in my opinion its talking about individual rebellion, not organized rebellion...

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

You need individuals to organize a rebellion. Revolutions always need strong leadership in order to succeed.

 

[GhostWriter16]

You need individuals to organize a rebellion. Revolutions always need strong leadership in order to succeed.

I'm going to wait a couple of days to explain how I explain Romans 13 (Or perhaps until I get back from Vacation) just to give Classical_hero a chance to answer, but by "Individual" I didn't mean what you mean. I mean, if some guy goes around with a gun saying he won't obey the government, this is a bad idea. On the other hand, if the majority of people are dissatisfied...

I will point out one thing for CH's benefit though, Ephesians 6:1 says, "Children obey your parents." So if your parents are Jihadists who tell you to blow yourself up to kill a bunch of people, do you do it? Nope! Yet it says, Children obey your parents. Sounds like its not an absolute commandment. When we get to government, it is even more so.

 

[Whiskey_Lord]

Yeah, for something that was divinely inspired, the Bible doesn't seem very well thought out. I think the simplest explanation is that Paul, being a religious leader, was always in the habit of telling people not to rock the boat for fear of losing his power over them.

 

[GhostWriter16]

I don't agree for obvious reasons. But as I said, I want CH to answer here, so I will not.

 

[Ajidica]

I will point out one thing for CH's benefit though, Ephesians 6:1 says, "Children obey your parents." So if your parents are Jihadists who tell you to blow yourself up to kill a bunch of people, do you do it? Nope! Yet it says, Children obey your parents. Sounds like its not an absolute commandment. When we get to government, it is even more so.

So some bible verses aren't absolute commandments, why is the creation myth in Genesis an absolute you must follow? Why should one set of divinely inspired passages be followed while another set of divinely inspired passages shouldn't be followed?