What in the World? Why so many insane regulations?

They aren't MY ELECTED government since I didn't vote any of them in.

But the thing is, the law applied to a daycare center. Children are under the guardianship of their parents, who can choose who to give that guardianship too and under what conditions. If the parent sends their child to a day-care center, the day-care center can demand the child brush his teeth after lunch. But the GOVERNMENT cannot (At least not without being a nanny state.)

The government needs to mind its own business and leave parenting to parents where it belongs.
 
They aren't MY ELECTED government since I didn't vote any of them in.

But the thing is, the law applied to a daycare center. Children are under the guardianship of their parents, who can choose who to give that guardianship too and under what conditions. If the parent sends their child to a day-care center, the day-care center can demand the child brush his teeth after lunch. But the GOVERNMENT cannot (At least not without being a nanny state.)

The government needs to mind its own business and leave parenting to parents where it belongs.

What about government regulations about fire escapes? Dietary restrictions? Asbestos? Background checks on day care workers? First Aid kits and basic first aid training? Anti-discrimination laws?

Seems like the "nanny state" is already here. :rolleyes:
 
No, they should just be struck down by the Supreme Court on the basis of the 9th amendment.
State & local regulation should be struck down by 9 unappointed FEDERAL officials?

And as to the 9th Amednment:

The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

In the late 18th century, did the people have a recognized right to work as a computer technician? If not, how could it have been retained by the 9th?
 
They aren't MY ELECTED government since I didn't vote any of them in.

They are your elected government because you are a part of the USA and the USA by majority voted them in.

It doesn't matter if you did or didn't vote; the final result is they are YOUR ELECTED government as much as anyone elses.
 
I hope Dommy like's testing his own food for botulism.
 
If it is not Dommy's government, why should we listen to his criticisms of it?

It is a choice to live here. One can renounce citizenship and move to another country.
 
Simple. No income tax. There are other systems that work better.

Its simple. Sales tax.
:headbash:
If you had taken one class in Economics 101 you would understand why a sales tax is a horrible, horrible way to serve as the government's income. By its nature, sales tax is a regressive tax which generaly is a very bad idea as low income people generate far more economic activity then the people with a high income.
Heck, even Milton Friedman's ideal tas system uses the income tax.

Again, I personally support an almost totally flat tax. However, I'm not discussing that. I'm discussing merely that there is a way to make it work without complex IRS stuff.
And it would lead our economy to total economic ruin. Nice job! Everything will be far, far simpler as we live in a country ripped out of Mad Max.

By a parent or day-care center? Sure, why not! But not by the GOVERNMENT.
This daycare is more trustworthy then the government?

Link to video.


Anyhow, why are you ranting about these laws? These are state laws, not federal. Isn't it the state's perogative to govern how they best see fit?
The government needs to mind its own business and leave parenting to parents where it belongs.
So no child protection services?
Police Officer: "Sorry Johnny, I know your parents abuse you and all, but we can't do anything as it is a parenting choice and the government can't interfere there."
Nice world!

They aren't MY ELECTED government since I didn't vote any of them in.
So I don't have to obey government laws because I didn't vote for them?
You are becoming more of an Anarchist every day.
 
In the late 18th century, did the people have a recognized right to work as a computer technician? If not, how could it have been retained by the 9th?

Texas is heading back to the 18th century. Computer technicians will be witchess/warlocks and burned at the stake. Internet and boxes with moving pictures will be the work of the devil.
 
Police Officer: "Sorry Johnny, I know your parents abuse you and all, but we can't do anything as it is a parenting choice and the government can't interfere there."

No, but telling a parent they can't abuse their child is common sense. Telling a day-care they must make their kid brush their teeth after lunch is not.

So I don't have to obey government laws because I didn't vote for them?
You are becoming more of an Anarchist every day.

I'd actually say the second statement is true, I don't think I've ever seen a GOOD justification for the state honestly. At least not the current form which won't leave people alone.

As for the first comment, that's not what I'm saying, though I should point out, "Obeying the law" is a ridiculous idea in the US since its impossible to even know all the laws, its just a matter of which laws you see as important enough to know and obey.
 
As for the first comment, that's not what I'm saying, though I should point out, "Obeying the law" is a ridiculous idea in the US since its impossible to even know all the laws, its just a matter of which laws you see as important enough to know and obey.
"Ignorance of the law is no excuse" is a pretty ancient principle.
 
@Dommy. Romans 13:1-7 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.
7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

By resisting the government, you are in effect resisting God. God has placed people in authority for our protection.
 
Classical_hero- You continually quote Romans 13 when it has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

When did I say anything about "Resisting" the governing authorities?
 
No, but telling a parent they can't abuse their child is common sense.
Why should the government be allowed to regulate what parents do?

I'd actually say the second statement is true, I don't think I've ever seen a GOOD justification for the state honestly. At least not the current form which won't leave people alone.
Why don't you just admit it. You are a Anarcho-Capitalist.
As for the first comment, that's not what I'm saying, though I should point out, "Obeying the law" is a ridiculous idea in the US since its impossible to even know all the laws, its just a matter of which laws you see as important enough to know and obey.
So if I forget about the law against statutory rape, I couldn't be held guilty for it?
By resisting the government, you are in effect resisting God. God has placed people in authority for our protection.
We have used that passage before to little avail. It has however lead to much lols.
 
How do you thin they govern us? Often regulations are part of being a government, so if you are resisting the regulations they put in, you are resisting God. Australia did quite well out of the recent GFC, in part due to effective government regulations of the financial industry whereas those countries that faired less well were those that did not have as strict regulations.

What do you think an ordinance is Dom?
 
Why don't you just admit it. You are a Anarcho-Capitalist.
Hardly. You're talking about somebody who thinks that the state should ritually butcher adolescent girls for pursuing abortions.
 
Hardly. You're talking about somebody who thinks that the state should ritually butcher adolescent girls for pursuing abortions.
In Anarcho-Capitalism, the corporation can do it for him. Who needs the state to execute them, when Mafia thugs do it so much better?
 
classical hero said:
in part due to effective government regulations of the financial industry whereas those countries that faired less well were those that did not have as strict regulations.

That's one reason Canadian banks did so well over the last 2 years and weren't hit nearly as hard as American banks - we have strict regulations that our banks have to abide by. It made my house's value not go down HOORAY!
 
How do you thin they govern us? Often regulations are part of being a government, so if you are resisting the regulations they put in, you are resisting God. Australia did quite well out of the recent GFC, in part due to effective government regulations of the financial industry whereas those countries that faired less well were those that did not have as strict regulations.

What do you think an ordinance is Dom?

Great Chain of Being, Dommy. DON'T YOU DARE BREAK THAT FRIGGEN CHAIN!!!!!!!! :mad::mad:
 
Why should the government be allowed to regulate what parents do?

Because you can't abuse your kid. This is a case of Non-stupid regulation.

Whether it should be the GOVERNMENT doing it or something else (Anarchism VS Statism) is another issue.


Why don't you just admit it. You are a Anarcho-Capitalist.

Not yet. But I'm starting to lean in that direction.

So if I forget about the law against statutory rape, I couldn't be held guilty for it?

First of all, I didn't say "You couldn't be held guilty" either, I simply said its impossible to obey US law all the time (There are far too many laws to remember.) Second of all, laws about statutory rape are easier to remember than most laws on the books. Third of all, the fact that we call an 18 year old sleeping with his 17 year old girlfriend "Rape" shows that our government is just stupid...

We have used that passage before to little avail. It has however lead to much lols.

Not to mention it is quite vague...

(Well, and its like one of my least favorite Bible passages, and ESPECIALLY when CH tries to use it, but that's another matter.)

How do you thin they govern us? Often regulations are part of being a government, so if you are resisting the regulations they put in, you are resisting God. Australia did quite well out of the recent GFC, in part due to effective government regulations of the financial industry whereas those countries that faired less well were those that did not have as strict regulations.

What do you think an ordinance is Dom?

Alright Classical, you are no longer allowed to protest anything the government does, because that would be a contradiction of your interpretation of Romans 13. In fact, Romans 13 does not teach blind, sheep-like obedience to the government as you assume:

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid;

It seems to me that this statement has to be true for God to ordain obedience, and when it is not true it is OK to rebel (I'll leave you the judge of when this is true.) While its not the case in my country or yours, in many countries, you would actually receive praise for doing EVIL.

Now, clearly the point here is qualified, not absolute, otherwise NO government would qualify, however, in some cases the total opposite is true, and in those countries, their governments should be overthrown, IMO even by Christians if possible. An example is North Korea. They don't care about murder or theft, but insult Kim Jong IL, and your entire family is going with you to the death camps.


7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

It says GIVE THEM WHAT THEY ARE OWED. Not what they say they are owed. It is conceivable that the two may not always be the same. In fact, the only thing Christ specifically gives to Caesar is money, specifically money printed by him (Not necessarily all forms of Capital), anything else is up for debate as to what belongs to them and in what amounts.

Also, I'm kinda shocked you didn't try to make the argument that everyone who has resisted any authority, ever, is damned. Because if you take the passage 100% literally, that is what it is saying. I do not choose to take the passage 100% literally.

However, in any case, none of the cases I was describing here are the case here. I wasn't suggesting we should disobey the government (Though I think in some cases we just have to ignore them, I don't think God would call us to study every page of the 2,900 page health care bill just so we can obey every word:lol:), rather I was suggesting that what the government is doing is wrong. If you say this is impossible, good to know Hitler was a good guy:goodjob:

Hardly. You're talking about somebody who thinks that the state should ritually butcher adolescent girls for pursuing abortions.

Actually, that (Even though untrue), has nothing to do with it. Murder would still be banned in an anarchist society anyway, and from what I gather about it from Anarchists I've talked too (Especially RIGHT-WING Anarchists), abortion may or may not be banned depending on jurisdiction. And there are certainly pro-life Anarchists.

Also, I don't support them being "Ritually butchered." I think they should be given the penalty for murder.

In Anarcho-Capitalism, the corporation can do it for him. Who needs the state to execute them, when Mafia thugs do it so much better?

This isn't how Orderly Anarchy works...

Great Chain of Being, Dommy. DON'T YOU DARE BREAK THAT FRIGGEN CHAIN!!!!!!!!

Huh?
 
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