What is the gay agenda?

[NovaKart]

Christians don't really have to deal with discrimination as much as gays. I think there's some discrimination in the media, such as avoiding TV shows or songs with an overt Christian theme except on Christian channels so I wouldn't say there's no discrimination but not as much as gays have to put up with.

Also if your religious views are used to justify prejudice against homosexuals then I think you can expect people to have a problem with it. Some of your support for discrimination against gays may not rest entirely on your religious views but I would think at least a gay marriage ban would have nothing going for it but religious based discrimination.

I do agree that there are times that gays, like any group pushing for equal rights can be overly pushy and that would be counter-productive but to characterize the entire gay rights movement as pushy zealouts who want to shove homosexuality in your face is inaccurate. Gay rights won't get very far just politely waiting for people to quietly accept us. There's also just no way to earn the acceptance of some people.

 

[warpus]

Except its not acceptance thats being sought.....what is demanded is endorsement. And thats why its such a hot topic issue.

"Gay sex.. brought to you by the Knollwood Baptist Church"

I don't think that's what they're after MobBoss!

 

[MobBoss]

Are we LGBTers denying Christians or heterosexuals state recognised marriages, with all the legal benefits they bring?

Are we LGBTers calling for Christians or heterosexuals to go through therapy, in order to get rid of their christianity or heterosexuality?

Are we LGBTers calling for christian or heterosexual marriages to be revoked?

Are we LGBTers kicking out christians and heterosexuals out from the army because they are heterosexual or christian?

Are we calling for the arrest of open LGBTers?

Are we calling for them to wear little pink triangles?

Are we denying that LGBTers even exist?

We can both play that little game all day Useless, and it gets us no where.

Your OP asked what people think the 'gay agenda' is. I answered. I never alledged LGBTers doing any of the things you list here so it would be nice if you actually STUCK to the things I am talking about instead of making things up.

 

[timtofly]

Are we LGBTers denying Christians or heterosexuals state recognised marriages, with all the legal benefits they bring?

Are we LGBTers calling for Christians or heterosexuals to go through therapy, in order to get rid of their christianity or heterosexuality?

Are we LGBTers calling for christian or heterosexual marriages to be revoked?

Are we LGBTers kicking out christians and heterosexuals out from the army because they are heterosexual or christian?

Doesn't equality do that by default?

 

[Tarquelne]

I will humbly submit that I am far more tolerant of homosexuals than they are in turn of my religious beliefs.

Assuming you're not against gay marriage or equal-status civil measures, then that's likely true.

The gay agenda is people believing there are more gays than there actually are? I don't think so. Agenda has too many connotations that aren't a good fit. I think it's a lot more accurate to say it's just successful PR. "We're here!" worked really, really well.

It's because they're so darn sparkly.

@useless:

I think it's a mistake to shoot for "tolerance." The way tolerance too often works is at a distance/ People will tolerate you as long as you're invisible and quiet. What minority groups (that's just an assumption: I read today in the paper that gays are actually 70% of the population) need is respect.

Tolerance will get you - grudgingly - a seat at the back of the bus. For a front seat you've got to have respect.

 

[Arakhor]

Uh, no, Timtofly. What on earth makes you think that?

 

[NovaKart]

You have this idea that the gay movement is trying to inflate the percentage of gays in order to make homosexuality seem more common and therefore acceptable. Maybe some gays do this but it's not really a cornerstone of the movement and just sounds like an attempt to discredit it. Either way the percentage of gays in the population is largely irrelevant to equal rights.

The above post makes less sense to me. It's like, we're not putting you in concentration camps so what are you moaning about? Like unless you're heavily persecuted you can't try to address a problem with discrimination.

 

[Lone Wolf]

I'm talking about portraying, say, homosexuals as 30% or more of the population as opposed to the more realistic 3% to 5%.

So, basically, this agenda is to corrupt statistics to exaggerate the number of gays in society? Seems oddly specific to be a real agenda - part of it, sure, but not "wide" enough to constitute an agenda.

Personally, I like the concept of "gay rights" as a decoy agenda, created by the American capitalists in order to divert the world's attention from the American oppression of the Third Word. Thus, "gay rights activists" are paid just from the White House, by the same hands that financed the bloody invasions of Iraq and Libya. How's that interpretation?

 

[timtofly]

Uh, no, Timtofly. What on earth makes you think that?

equality

 

[warpus]

You have this idea that the gay movement is trying to inflate the percentage of gays in order to make homosexuality seem more common and therefore acceptable.

What does the number of gay people in our society have to do with the fact that we should accept them for who they are?

 

[Red Door]

I will humbly submit that I am far more tolerant of homosexuals than they are in turn of my religious beliefs.

QFT. All homosexuals hate religion, especially Christianity. Every single one of them.

What you dont get is you cant force those things upon others, they have to be earned. You want tolerance and equality then treat others that way - otherwise all you are doing is building resentment.

QFT once more. This is exactly how the Civil Rights legacy worked, minus those uppity in your face freedom riders and that in your face Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr.

 

[NovaKart]

I don't think it does.

For the above post, I'm getting better with acronyms but what the hell does QFT stand for?

 

[Lone Wolf]

in order to make homosexuality seem more common and therefore acceptable.

Now, this indeed may be seen as agenda! But for the true gay agenda, read my previous post.

 

[civver_764]

Your OP asked what people think the 'gay agenda' is. I answered. I never alledged LGBTers doing any of the things you list here so it would be nice if you actually STUCK to the things I am talking about instead of making things up.

Actually you did say LGBTers are less tolerant of your religious beliefs than you are of them, but his post basically demolished that idea. Not that you would ever admit to being wrong or anything.

 

[Arakhor]

I thought that everyone knew that Sir Ian McKellen and George Takei were joint Grandmasters of the Gay Illuminati? Many famous people have been members, but until you join, you'll never know the full extent of... The Gay Agenda!!

 

[civ_king]

QFT. All homosexuals hate religion, especially Christianity. Every single one of them.



QFT once more. This is exactly how the Civil Rights legacy worked, minus those uppity in your face freedom riders and that in your face Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr.

Yes, because coming out as homosexual made me revile the entirety Christianity

I totally missed the male pole dancers in leather thongs during the Civil Rights Movement, could you perhaps direct me too it?

 

[useless]

Are we calling for the arrest of open LGBTers?

Are we calling for them to wear little pink triangles?

Are we denying that LGBTers even exist?

We can both play that little game all day Useless, and it gets us no where.

Your OP asked what people think the 'gay agenda' is. I answered. I never alledged LGBTers doing any of the things you list here so it would be nice if you actually STUCK to the things I am talking about instead of making things up.

The things that i have stated have happened (and still do).

Are you denying that homosexuals were kicked out of the American army, something which you yourself were involved in?

Are you denying that LGBTers cannot get married, in many states?

Are you denying thay "Pray the gay away" exists, and is still used?

Are you accusing me of making them up, Mobby?

 

[civ_king]

I will humbly submit that I am far more tolerant of homosexuals than they are in turn of my religious beliefs.

Plus I'm far less pushy about it.

What you dont get is you cant force those things upon others, they have to be earned. You want tolerance and equality then treat others that way - otherwise all you are doing is building resentment.

The things that i have stated have happened (and still do).

Are you denying that homosexuals were kicked out of the American army, something which you yourself were involved in?

Are you denying that LGBTers cannot get married, in many states?

Are you denying thay "Pray the gay away" exists, and is still used?

Are you accusing me of making them up, Mobby?

Does he support any of those things?

 

[civver_764]

He supports all three of those things.

 

[Wolfbeckett]

Are we calling for the arrest of open LGBTers?

Are we calling for them to wear little pink triangles?

Are we denying that LGBTers even exist?

Umm, I'm confused. I've never heard a single gay person calling for any of that to be done to Christians. So I guess I'm really not seeing your point at all.