What is the Republican obsession with the vagina?

[Crezth]

You didn't answer my question, instead opting to ramble pointlessly on some tangent. My point is this: a male-majority congress cannot be expected to represent the interests of women, period, in the same way that a British parliament of Britons cannot accurately represent the interests of the American colonies. It has nothing to do with the "validity of opinions." The point at hand is not "which position on abortion is correct," but "which position on this issue that affects mainly women should we adopt." And it is my opinion that a policy which affects a specific group of people should be decided by the affected.

 

[Oruc]

I'm a woman

and I think abortion isn't murdah but a choice that isn't easy and causes other women to have regret.

You're just a trans woman, you can't speak on the experience's of actual women (or ciswomen if you prefer) with anymore weight then I can, less infact.

 

[Farm Boy]

You didn't answer my question, instead opting to ramble pointlessly on some tangent. My point is this: a male-majority congress cannot be expected to represent the interests of women

I reject the assumption that a female-majority congress could anymore accurately represent the interests of all women. Now a congress that is actively opposed to inclusion of the voices of women, or a congress that was selected predicated upon the purposeful and systemic exclusion of women, that would build in some assumptions where I may consider your quibble to almost certainly have merit.

 

[Crezth]

But the current congress is selected based on a systemic exclusion of women, that being male privilege. The reason there are disproportionately more males in congress is because of a built-in bias towards males, not evident necessarily in, say, the Constitution; but it plays out in our society, and our culture, which regularly disregards women and women issues as irrelevant or second-fiddle to male issues. You simply can't rely on such a system to provide ample protection for the rights and interests of women.

 

[Farm Boy]

Then democracy cannot work properly as you define it. Privileges do not remain and are not now static. They will change but they won't cease to exist. What would you have instead? Would you inform women that they are voting incorrectly? Would you require them to be represented by other women rather than the individuals they choose? Shall we inform men and blacks that they can only be represented by other men and blacks? Do we really need some form of reincarnated segregation?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You know, if you strip away all the dramatics you get: women should have a bigger influence on policy making on the one side, and gender should be irrelevant on the other.

Are you sure you're not arguing the same thing, but it gets lost in observation?

 

[woody60707]

So do people really believe the whole issue of abortion is because Republican are really obsession with the vagina?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

People believe a lot of things.

 

[Crezth]

Then democracy cannot work properly as you define it. Privileges do not remain and are not now static. They will change but they won't cease to exist. What would you have instead? Would you inform women that they are voting incorrectly? Would you require them to be represented by other women rather than the individuals they choose? Shall we inform men and blacks that they can only be represented by other men and blacks? Do we really need some form of reincarnated segregation?

All this amounts to is an obtuse justification for white privilege, and a naive one at that. I can't really dignify this with a response.

 

[Patroklos]

Is it awkward when you refuse to use female doctors?

 

[ace99]

All I'm getting out of this page so far is "I think I know whats best for women better than they know whats best for themselves."

 

[Patroklos]

Please quote the person who said that. As that's impossible, thanks for playing.

 

[Farm Boy]

All this amounts to is an obtuse justification for white privilege, and a naive one at that. I can't really dignify this with a response.

Whatever you're on, can you share? It seems effective.

 

[woody60707]

People believe a lot of things.

Ok, do most of these women, or people on the left,... or what ever group of people, would most of that group of people believe that?

 

[CaptainF]

Whatever you're on, can you share? It seems effective.

I'm starting to think he's really David Futrelle:

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Or, maybe, one of these nebbish specimens:

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Or, maybe he's the dude who once told you "bro, I'm gonna get so much poontang in my womyn's studies class!"

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Or, maybe this fine person put something in his water.

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Can't tell which.

 

[Crezth]

What? How am I suddenly a crazy person? Am I wrong that the congress is 90% male? Am I wrong that women don't get a fair shake in our society - in government, business, and otherwise?

"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing."-Malcolm X

 

[peter grimes]

What? How am I suddenly a crazy person? Am I wrong that the congress is 90% male? Am I wrong that women don't get a fair shake in our society - in government, business, and otherwise?

"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing."-Malcolm X

I'm with you 100%, and you're not crazy.

 

[Terxpahseyton]

I am curious. What constitutes fairness to you?

 

[squadbroken]

I'm with you 100%, and you're not crazy.

Yeah, same here.

 

[AlpsStranger]

The problem is that a sizable percentage of women believe men should be "in charge" and, frankly, I think a larger percentage of men are willing to sacrifice other parts of their lives to be "in charge" for its own sake. It's really hard to correct for something like that without some kind of enforced quota, and an enforced quota has its own issues. That said, I agree that there is a great deal of systematic bias making it even worse.

I wouldn't mind seeing more women in power, and I would never hesitate to vote for any woman who I felt shared my political beliefs.

EDIT: I'm pro-choice, just to put all of this in context.