What is your view of Libertarianism and Ayn Rand?

[Cutlass]

I realized you were just running with what the others came up with. I wasn't blaming those thoughts on you. But I still think that any of the historical people involved would have had confused incomprehension at the arguments.

 

[Crezth]

I had. I stand by my

pssst. He's being facetious.

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[innonimatu]

However, since I notice this says "Socialism is using legislation and the political process to achieve a classless society," that would mean all of the soviet bloc is socialist "while communism is instigating a violent revolution to achieve a classless society" this means nobody has been communist, or ever advocated communism, ever as far as I can tell.

Yeah, even the Paris Commune sat on their asses discussing legislation and the like instead of marching on Versailles and guillotining Thiers. Damn french losing their good traditions already by then...

 

[ParkCungHee]

Even the Khmer Rogue was passing laws and stuff.

 

[Ergo Sum]

I digress. Socialism is using legislation and the political process to achieve a classless society, while communism is instigating a violent revolution to achieve a classless society. The paths are different, but the destination is the same.

You're missing the dialectic part of what Marx wrote, the part where socialism and communism are two different stages of history with different means and ends. That is if we're not letting all the bollocks that's been said about communists and socialists since 1848 in.

Yeah, even the Paris Commune sat on their asses discussing legislation and the like instead of marching on Versailles and guillotining Thiers. Damn french losing their good traditions already by then...

What a shame.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

You're missing the dialectic part of what Marx wrote

He's missing a lot more than that.

It's not even worth it to argue with such people. Advice to my friends in this thread.

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[KaiserElectric]

He's missing a lot more than that.

It's not even worth it to argue with such people. Advice to my friends in this thread.

Pistols at dawn?

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[aelf]

I hereby 'digress' with the usual definitions for liberalism and libertarianism and declare that liberalism is using legislation and the political process to corrupt a society's morals, while libertarianism is using nude pictures of lady liberty to corrupt a society's morals. The paths are different, but the destination is the same.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Well done mate, you just sold libertarianism to me. Please send the nude pictures to ziggy@nomorals.lib.

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[KaiserElectric]

To end all arguments, allow me to edit my original reply in a more correct fashion.

Socialism ~= communism.

In this situation, I'd say the two terms are interchangeable.

 

[Crezth]

In this situation, I'd say the two terms are interchangeable.

But they aren't. Not even in this situation.

 

[aelf]

What situation?

 

[KaiserElectric]

Oy vey...

 

[ParkCungHee]

I hereby 'digress' with the usual definitions for liberalism and libertarianism and declare that liberalism is using legislation and the political process to corrupt a society's morals, while libertarianism is using nude pictures of lady liberty to corrupt a society's morals. The paths are different, but the destination is the same.

This sounds like something Lone Wolf would write. Are you developing a Good Singaporean Persona?

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[aelf]

This sounds like something Lone Wolf would write. Are you developing a Good Singaporean Persona?

No, but I'm open to suggestions.

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[Moss]

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