What makes a nerd?

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Thought it might be relevent, especially seeing how often most you guys think hip hop is trash for being bad-sounding music but then a lot of you like the occasional white rapper who sounds the same but raps about something silly that you respect (Weird Al comes to mind, as do all those underground white rappers) so you think it sounds musically pleasing. But rant aside, here's the article.
NY Times Magazine said:
Who’s a Nerd, Anyway?

By BENJAMIN NUGENT
What is a nerd? Mary Bucholtz, a linguist at the University of California, Santa Barbara, has been working on the question for the last 12 years. She has gone to high schools and colleges, mainly in California, and asked students from different crowds to think about the idea of nerdiness and who among their peers should be considered a nerd; students have also “reported” themselves. Nerdiness, she has concluded, is largely a matter of racially tinged behavior. People who are considered nerds tend to act in ways that are, as she puts it, “hyperwhite.”

While the word “nerd” has been used since the 1950s, its origin remains elusive. Nerds, however, are easy to find everywhere. Being a nerd has become a widely accepted and even proud identity, and nerds have carved out a comfortable niche in popular culture; “nerdcore” rappers, who wear pocket protectors and write paeans to computer routing devices, are in vogue, and TV networks continue to run shows with titles like “Beauty and the Geek.” As a linguist, Bucholtz understands nerdiness first and foremost as a way of using language. In a 2001 paper, “The Whiteness of Nerds: Superstandard English and Racial Markedness,” and other works, including a book in progress, Bucholtz notes that the “hegemonic” “cool white” kids use a limited amount of African-American vernacular English; they may say “blood” in lieu of “friend,” or drop the “g” in “playing.” But the nerds she has interviewed, mostly white kids, punctiliously adhere to Standard English. They often favor Greco-Latinate words over Germanic ones (“it’s my observation” instead of “I think”), a preference that lends an air of scientific detachment. They’re aware they speak distinctively, and they use language as a badge of membership in their cliques. One nerd girl Bucholtz observed performed a typically nerdy feat when asked to discuss “blood” as a slang term; she replied: “B-L-O-O-D. The word is blood,” evoking the format of a spelling bee. She went on, “That’s the stuff which is inside of your veins,” humorously using a literal definition. Nerds are not simply victims of the prevailing social codes about what’s appropriate and what’s cool; they actively shape their own identities and put those codes in question.

Though Bucholtz uses the term “hyperwhite” to describe nerd language in particular, she claims that the “symbolic resources of an extreme whiteness” can be used elsewhere. After all, “trends in music, dance, fashion, sports and language in a variety of youth subcultures are often traceable to an African-American source,” but “unlike the styles of cool European American students, in nerdiness, African-American culture and language [do] not play even a covert role.” Certainly, “hyperwhite” seems a good word for the sartorial choices of paradigmatic nerds. While a stereotypical black youth, from the zoot-suit era through the bling years, wears flashy clothes, chosen for their aesthetic value, nerdy clothing is purely practical: pocket protectors, belt sheaths for gadgets, short shorts for excessive heat, etc. Indeed, “hyperwhite” works as a description for nearly everything we intuitively associate with nerds, which is why Hollywood has long traded in jokes that try to capitalize on the emotional dissonance of nerds acting black (Eugene Levy saying, “You got me straight trippin’, boo”) and black people being nerds (the characters Urkel and Carlton in the sitcoms “Family Matters” and “The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air”).

By cultivating an identity perceived as white to the point of excess, nerds deny themselves the aura of normality that is usually one of the perks of being white. Bucholtz sees something to admire here. In declining to appropriate African-American youth culture, thereby “refusing to exercise the racial privilege upon which white youth cultures are founded,” she writes, nerds may even be viewed as “traitors to whiteness.” You might say they know that a culture based on theft is a culture not worth having. On the other hand, the code of conspicuous intellectualism in the nerd cliques Bucholtz observed may shut out “black students who chose not to openly display their abilities.” This is especially disturbing at a time when African-American students can be stigmatized by other African-American students if they’re too obviously diligent about school. Even more problematic, “Nerds’ dismissal of black cultural practices often led them to discount the possibility of friendship with black students,” even if the nerds were involved in political activities like protesting against the dismantling of affirmative action in California schools. If nerdiness, as Bucholtz suggests, can be a rebellion against the cool white kids and their use of black culture, it’s a rebellion with a limited membership.

Benjamin Nugent is the author of “American Nerd: The Story of My People,” which will be published next spring.
 
One thing that annoys me about nerds (particularly computer nerds, apparently taking Java 101 makes these people think they understand logic) is a silly obsession with (a very sophomoric view of) logic.
 
What is a nerd? Mary Bucholtz, a linguist at the University of California, Santa Barbara, has been working on the question for the last 12 years.

I think the answer is in the next sentence.

Anyway, this article is pure nonsense. What has nerdiness to do with race? It is my understanding that in the US many asian kids are also considered "nerds" or "geeks". Do they act hyperwhite too? And is it really a distinctively black charateristic to wear clothes for their aesthetic value instead of practical value? Has this woman ever looked at the clothes that the european courts wore? Has she ever seen a fashion parade in Milan or Paris? Maybe Louis XIV was "stealing" from the black culture too, after all he was a hegemonic cool white kid.

12 years thrown in the garbage can.
 
I don't think Lious the XIV is remotely relevant to American nerds. But in the US, utility clothing is more a white thing. And the tiny Asian minority is kind of hyper-white. In fact, I'd say based on the article, nerd culture could be about conforming to east-Asian immigrant culture instead of black culture. Living in the United States and given whose considered nerdy on a personal (i.e. not internet forum... forum) the basic idea is pretty much right that nerdiness is being a part of very-white culture. The article could be better written, but I believe the basic premise is mostly correct.
 
from wiki:

Nerd as a stereotypical, archetypal and frequently used informally as a derogatory designation, refers to a person who passionately pursues intellectual or esoteric knowledge or pastimes rather than engaging in social life, such as participating in organized sports or other mainstream social activities.

I think that definition is spot on.

Personally, I wouldn't even say esoteric. I'd say that someone who knows a lot about basketball and dedicates a lot of his time to the sport is a basketball nerd.
 
One thing that annoys me about nerds (particularly computer nerds, apparently taking Java 101 makes these people think they understand logic) is a silly obsession with (a very sophomoric view of) logic.

What do you mean by an obsession? And what's the exact view of logic that you dislike?
 
Probably those who word their statements like a mathematical proof in writing yet completely disregard the actual mathematical rules. Or describe something as logical when actualy based on gut instinct and similar dumbassery.
 
To add to perf's great description, people who think displaying extreme skeptical posturings to anything that isn't natural science amounts to being logical
 
Probably those who word their statements like a mathematical proof in writing yet completely disregard the actual mathematical rules. Or describe something as logical when actualy based on gut instinct and similar dumbassery.
I remember starting a thread on hell that you posted in, writing something in a somewhat prooflike form. I can't help but wonder if that thread is related to your post.
 
I think the answer is in the next sentence.

Anyway, this article is pure nonsense. What has nerdiness to do with race? It is my understanding that in the US many asian kids are also considered "nerds" or "geeks". Do they act hyperwhite too? And is it really a distinctively black charateristic to wear clothes for their aesthetic value instead of practical value? Has this woman ever looked at the clothes that the european courts wore? Has she ever seen a fashion parade in Milan or Paris? Maybe Louis XIV was "stealing" from the black culture too, after all he was a hegemonic cool white kid.

12 years thrown in the garbage can.

Sterotype wise asians are not nerds. They are expected to get good grades and have no problem getting asian chicks. They seem to have a lot of trouble with girls of other ethnicitys thou. Asian girls on the other hand seem to have the best luck out of all ethnicitys as far as being appealing to a lot of diff. types of guys.
 
The article is either pure nonsense or extraordinarily specific to America (or maybe just California). Nerds elsewhere is the world do not fit that description at all.
Given that the concept of a 'nerd' is recognised all over the world, this woman has clearly got the wrong end of the stick in defining it. Nerds in her area may manifest themselves in the way she describes, but those manifestations are not the defining features of being a nerd.
 
Sterotype wise asians are not nerds. They are expected to get good grades and have no problem getting asian chicks. They seem to have a lot of trouble with girls of other ethnicitys thou. Asian girls on the other hand seem to have the best luck out of all ethnicitys as far as being appealing to a lot of diff. types of guys.

Well "Nerd" is a western concept. Even if Asians are westernised the concept of "nerd" don't hold as much importance to them as it does to westerners (well at least i don't anyway :p ). So that would explain why Asian "nerds" do well with Asian girls and not with girls from other ethinicities.
 
I've known people from China, India and the middle East who all knew just what a nerd was.
 
living in England I presume?
 
I've known people from China, India and the middle East who all knew just what a nerd was.

When I said it was a western concept I didnt mean people from other parts of the world aren't aware of it it's just that they (generally) don't care about it as westerners do.
 
Well "Nerd" is a western concept. Even if Asians are westernised the concept of "nerd" don't hold as much importance to them as it does to westerners (well at least i don't anyway :p ). So that would explain why Asian "nerds" do well with Asian girls and not with girls from other ethinicities.

Asian Americans are just as much western as anyone. (at least in Vegas and So.Cal.) I am not a girl so I can't really say.
 
God I hate black racists... it's all the white man's fault indeed. You're as bad as the "good ol' boys" on a different side of the coin. Now then, nerds...

I am not a nerd... I defy classification. I used to be a nerd though. I used to be antisocial and all that. I hung out with fellow nerds. It was a racially diverse cast. We had whites, blacks, and mexicans (for some reason, none of the asians EVER wanted to hang out with us...) and they came in a wide variety of proper clothes, strange (ghetto) clothes, and jeans and a t-shirt (me).

There are many different flavors of nerd out there, man. This isn't the 80s anymore.
 
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