What would an atheist chaplain do?

In my case it meant "it happens to be so"...
Then I'm sure you won't mind providing proof that the absurd notion that military chaplains are selected based on the percentage of those in the military who have that same faith is actually true.

Islam in the US Armed Forces

There are at least 4,000 Muslims on active duty in the US armed forces in observing Islam’s annual holy month of fasting and spiritual reflection, writes The Washington Post in a report republished on the advent of the Muslim holy month of Ramadān.

Lt. M. Malik Abd al Muta’ Ali ibn Noel, Jr. Is the first Muslim Chaplain in the Navy. He holds the rank of lieutenant in the Navy, and wears Islam’s universal symbol --a crescent moon-- on his shirt collar. And as a new moon cued the onset of Ramadān, the first Muslim chaplain commissioned by the Navy led Tarāvīh prayers in the first mosque build on a US naval base, according to the Post.

Three Muslim chaplains, were appointed beginning with the Army in 1993, drafting about a dozen others into chaplain training programmes. The US armed forces offer pork-free field rations; allow Muslims to leave duty stations to attend prayers on Friday, facilitating travel to Makkah for Hajj to this holy city.

Many US military bases have rooms set aside for Muslim prayers, and at least two military facilities have their own mosques. In 1992, the Saudi Arabian government donated founds to transform an office at Fort Eustis Army Base in Newport News, Va., into a mosque. And in November 1997, about a year after Noel’s chaplaincy appointment, Norfolk Navel Station’s mosque opened in a complex that also houses a synagogue and two Christian chapels. “I thought it was an important thing to do that our Muslim sailors have the same type of religious support that our Christian and Jewish sailors were being afforded,” said Capt. John N. Petrie, the former base commander who now is assigned to the chief of naval operations at the Pentagon. “About 70 percent of the 1.4 million active-duty US military personnel have voluntarily declared a religious preference,” said Lt. Col. Tom Begines, Defence Department spokesman. Of those 4,000 have identified themselves as Muslims, up from 2,500 in 1993.

Because of a common reluctance to publicly state their religion, Air Force Master Sgt. Talib Shareef, president of the recently formed Muslim American Military Association (MAMA), estimates that there may be as many as 10,000 Muslims in the armed forces. These include American-born converts such as Noel, who is from Salem, N.J., and converted to Islam in 1989, and immigrants such as Navy Capt. K.M. Mohammad Shakir, who was born in India. Shakir, a US citizen since 1978, is programme director for endocrinology training at the National Navel Medical Centre in Bethesda and was on the physicians’ team that treated the then-president Bush’s overactive thyroid condition.
Wow. Two whole mosques and "about a dozen" Muslim chaplains...
 
What about people who want nonreligious counseling. Is it just as unacceptable that they have to talk to a religious person?

This already exists, in droves. With all the issues concerning soldier suicide and other issues, counseling service availability has exploded over the last decade.
 
So why not just have a counsellor on the army pay roll, rather than a chaplain with a clear allegiance to one particular religion?

Though I must say Christianity and warfare has always seemed a rather strange mix to me.
 
So why not just have a counsellor on the army pay roll, rather than a chaplain with a clear allegiance to one particular religion?

Because counseling and chaplain services aren't the same thing. They overlap to a degree, sure; but Chaplains are far more involved in overall soldier care and well being as well, in addition to providing religious services.
 
So why not just have a counsellor on the army pay roll, rather than a chaplain with a clear allegiance to one particular religion?

Though I must say Christianity and warfare has always seemed a rather strange mix to me.

Not really. Christianity was spread through most of Europe by force(perhaps it's one of the reasons why Europeans tend to be more skeptical towards religion than Americans). The Coat of Arms of the Norwegian church consists of a cross and two battle axes.
 
I can accept that they aren't the same thing. But why have Christian specific chaplains on the payroll?

They could be available to the soldiers that need them as part of their extra-military experience. Provided they can square a military life with their religious convictions, of course.

And yes, Lillefix, I know that Christianity has been spread by force of arms (or, more efficiently, by the threat of force). It still makes them strange bedfellows, imo.
 
@Forma:

1) Your article is from a site called "
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". What exactly is its relation to being able to determine the number of muslim troops in the US army? (which it estimates from being anywhere from 4K to 10K...)

2) What is the ratio of christian chaplains per US regiment? Useless to just post a supposed ratio of muslim chaplains to troops of that faith, without providing the majority christian one.
 
You are the one who made the statement followed by "it happens to be so". So show it is true.

And the article stated that according to the Washington Post that "at least" 4000 Muslims will be celebrating Ramadan, not that it was the number in the military.
 
2) What is the ratio of christian chaplains per US regiment? Useless to just post a supposed ratio of muslim chaplains to troops of that faith, without providing the majority christian one.

Well, I can answer this to a certain extent. Chaplain's usually start at the battalion level, and are also found in each level of command above that, i.e. Brigade, Division, Corps, Army...

Along with providing religious services, they are also advisors to the command about soldier wellness and moral.
 
Really? So command asks the chaplains how their soldiers moral is? Before making significant tactical decisions?

I'm surprised.
 
What? Why would they want to go see a preacher in the first place? They can go talk to a shrink or a 'life coach' or whatever.

Not only religious people require spiritual guidance. A chaplain is supposed be there to provide such guidance for potentially ALL members of the military, whether they be Christian, Muslim, Voodoo, Atheist, Buddhist, or whatever.

So why would a Muslim want to see a Christian priest? Why would a Buddhist want to see a Muslim Imam? That's the same question as the one you're asking.
 
So, MobBoss, got any estimate as to how many christian chaplains there are in relation to the total number of christian US troops?

96.85% of US military chaplains are Christian. The largest number portion of these are evangelical Christians who make up 33-62.74% of the total number of chaplains, depending on how evangelical is defined. 1.08% of chaplains are Jewish, .29% Muslim, .08% Buddhist, and .02% Hindu.

68.82% of the troops are Christian, .33% Jewish, .24% Muslim, .38% Buddhist, and .07% Hindu. .67% identify as atheist and .12% as agnostic. The remainder have reported no religious preference or their religious preference is unknown.
 
Not only religious people require spiritual guidance. A chaplain is supposed be there to provide such guidance for potentially ALL members of the military, whether they be Christian, Muslim, Voodoo, Atheist, Buddhist, or whatever.

So why would a Muslim want to see a Christian priest? Why would a Buddhist want to see a Muslim Imam? That's the same question as the one you're asking.

No, it's not. If a protestant preacher was not available, I would rather talk to an Iman, Rabbi, or worst case even a Catholic priest. I would -not- talk to some faker who is not even a religious leader in any way, shape, or form.

As for Buddhists, I freely claim ignorance here. I've always been under the impression that the eastern 'faiths' such as Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism, etc were more philosophies than religions. I don't say that to be mean or disrespectful and I will happily take a slapping if I'm wrong. As I say, ignorance on my part.

So then I take it that any Chaplain who isn't a Jew, Christian, or Muslim is right out? That any others are "fake preachers"?
No, I didn't say that and don't mean that. See above about some of the other faiths that I am honestly ignorant on. But then there is Hinduism that is clearly a religion and not fakers.
How would you feel if no Christian "preacher" was available in a particular region?
I would feel that given the religious demographics of the United States, which is most likely reflected fairly similarly in the military, the powers that be in the military would have screwed up royally.
Why can't those who are religious do so as well? What is the real difference, especially if the "preacher" has a completely different religion?
Why do you hate religious people?

(I know you don't, okay, but that's about as legit as the question you asked. if you cannot accept that religion is such a fundamental part of our lives that the military has an obligation to provide religious leaders for its troops, then we have no common ground at all (which is sadly frequently the case.))
 
96.85% of US military chaplains are Christian. The largest number portion of these are evangelical Christians who make up 33-62.74% of the total number of chaplains, depending on how evangelical is defined. 1.08% of chaplains are Jewish, .29% Muslim, .08% Buddhist, and .02% Hindu.

68.82% of the troops are Christian, .33% Jewish, .24% Muslim, .38% Buddhist, and .07% Hindu. .67% identify as atheist and .12% as agnostic. The remainder have reported no religious preference or their religious preference is unknown.
What is your source?
 
2012 MAAF Department of Defense Religious Preference and Chaplain Support Study.
 
You know, there are these things called "links".

There are a number of extremely interesting graphs and statistics in that report. Here is one example taken from another site which uses that data. Even if we are to believe that far less than 1% are atheists and agnostics, they still represent a bigger group than other non-Christian religions. Yet they have no chaplains:

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63.7% of all chaplains are "evangelicals" but only 17.4% of the military population claims to be so. Catholics represent 19.5% of the military population, but only 7.3% of the chaplains are Catholic.
 
No, it's not. If a protestant preacher was not available, I would rather talk to an Iman, Rabbi, or worst case even a Catholic priest. I would -not- talk to some faker who is not even a religious leader in any way, shape, or form.

Sure and that's your right to have that opinion, but the point is that people of other faiths (or a lack of one) might have similar issues seeing a Christian chaplain.

And you've got to make sure that your troops are able to use these services no matter what their religious affiliation or lack thereof might be.. right?
 
63.7% of all chaplains are "evangelicals" but only 17.4% of the military population claims to be so. Catholics represent 19.5% of the military population, but only 7.3% of the chaplains are Catholic.

That 63.7% as evangelicals is inflated. The study inaccurately marked Lutherans and Episcopalians as evangelical traditions, among others. Huff Post had a story where they said 33% of chaplains are evangelicals, which seems to be far more accurate after a brief review of the MAAF data.
 
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