What would an atheist chaplain do?

I am surprised this is not mentioned but the primary reason for the shortage of Hindu, Muslim and even Catholic chaplains is the lack of availability of those faiths.

Catholics in particular have a very regimented hierarchy and organization where a priest can't just volunteer independent of the clergy's wishes. In their case since there is a lacked priests in general those made available for military chaplains have declined as well.

Rarely have I been administered to by a Catholic chaplain at sea or by one assigned to my own unit. It was either via the "holy helo" where they lilipad from ship to ship holding services, which is rare, or the more likely avenue was to have Catholic lay leaders who volunteer to be trained to hold ceremonies. Fleet concentration areas generally have a Catholic chaplain at their base chapels or have a local priest who pulls double duty.

Their primary purpose is religious in nature, not counseling. Given the confidentiality they enjoy based on religion and their general character they make great councilors, but as was stated their religious qualifications and authority is still sourced through their home church NOT the military. Theology degrees are irrelevant.
 
Catholics in particular have a very regimented hierarchy and organization where a priest can't just volunteer independent of the clergy's wishes. In their case since there is a lacked priests in general those made available for military chaplains have declined as well.
While it is true that it is not just the person's individual decision which is important in this regard, there is a program where even laymen can become trained to specifically become chaplains instead of ordinary priests:


Archdioces for the Military Services, USA: Paths to Chaplaincy
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Co-Sponsored Seminarian Program

What is the Co-Sponsored Seminarian Program?

The Archdiocese for the Military Services USA, (AMS) in partnership with other U.S. dioceses and religious communities, offers the Co-Sponsored Seminarian Program. This program enables a man with a vocation to priestly ministry in the military to be financially co-sponsored throughout his seminary training by both the military archdiocese and the seminarian's civilian diocese or religious community. Upon graduation from the seminary, he is ordained a priest for his civilian jurisdiction. After completing at least three (3) years of pastoral ministry as a priest, he will be permitted (as part of the co-sponsorship agreement between the AMS Archbishop and the co-sponsored priest's Ordinary or religious superior) to serve on active duty as a military chaplain. All Catholic priests who have served and who are serving in the U.S. military chaplaincy have been "borrowed" or are "on loan" from dioceses or religious orders. Priest-chaplains do not become incardinated in the AMS. They remain incardinated in their diocese or religious order, have faculties to function within the jurisdiction of the AMS granted by the AMS Archbishop, yet can be recalled by their Ordinary or religious superior at any time.

What are the advantages of the Co-Sponsored Seminarian Program if I feel called to serve both as a Catholic priest and in the Military Services?

The Co-Sponsored Seminarian Program ensures that you have good pastoral training and experience before inviting you to share the unique responsibilities present in the military environment. In other words, it grounds you as a young priest in sacramental ministry and priestly fraternity before going on to serve as a military chaplain for as long a period as you and your bishop or religious superior decide. Regardless of whether you choose a full military career or not, the myriad experiences and training gained through the armed forces will serve you well in the many pastoral opportunities you will surely have back in your home diocese or community.

What steps are necessary if I feel called to serve both as a Catholic priest and in the military?

If you are currently a seminarian for a local diocese or religious community, you must discuss your interest and discernment in the military chaplaincy with your formation directors and your Bishop. Follow their directions. You should not contact the military archdiocese prior to speaking with your Bishop and those responsible for your formation (i.e., diocesan/religious community vocation director, director of seminarians, seminary rector). With their permission contact the AMS Director of Vocations.

If you are a layman, military or civilian, and not yet formally accepted to a diocese or religious community priesthood formation program, and feel a call to the priesthood and the military chaplaincy, prayerfully seek the advice of your Catholic military priest-chaplain (if you are on active duty), or your local parish priest. He will put you in touch with the vocations director in your home diocese. The vocations director can outline the steps to discern your call, enter into seminary formation, and become an ordained priest. You may also contact our AMS Director of Vocations for information and guidance.

When you contact the AMS Director of Vocations, you will be asked to complete a survey which provides personal, academic, ecclesiastical, and military information about yourself. On the basis of the information gathered, specific guidance will be offered to you by the AMS Office of Vocations.

Attend one of the two annual vocation discernment retreats provided by the AMS. This retreat will give you the opportunity to meet with the AMS Director of Vocations and military chaplains from the different branches of the armed forces to learn more about the rewards and challenges of serving both God and country.

If a mutual decision has been made between you and your bishop or religious superior giving you permission to be a Co-Sponsored seminarian chaplain candidate, you will be invited to apply for the Co-Sponsored Seminarian Program.
Who can participate in the Co-Sponsored Seminarian Program?

Any single Catholic young man who is a US citizen with college experience who shows signs of having a vocation to priestly ministry, can meet the academic requirements for seminary training, and qualifies for military service is eligible to apply.

A candidate must be able to enter active duty before age 42. Adjustments on the entry age may be made for those with prior military service as long as the total number of years of military service can equal twenty years or more.

If you are currently a seminarian, you must first discuss your interest in the military chaplaincy with your formation director and `bishop or religious superior; follow his directions.

What are the steps to become accepted for the Co-Sponsored Seminarian Program?

Step 1: If you are a seminarian, discuss your interest and discernment regarding the military chaplaincy with your formation directors and bishop or religious superior. Follow their directions.

If you are a layman, military or civilian, and not yet formally accepted to a diocese or religious community priesthood formation program, and feel a call to the priesthood and the military chaplaincy, prayerfully seek the advice of your Catholic military priest-chaplain (if you are on active duty), or your local parish priest. He will put you in touch with the vocations director in your home diocese. The vocations director can outline the steps to discern your call, enter into seminary formation, and become an ordained priest. You may also contact our AMS Director of Vocations for information and guidance.

Step 2: With their permission contact the AMS Director of Vocations. You will then be asked to complete a survey which provides personal, academic, ecclesiastical, and military information about yourself. On the basis of information gathered, specific guidance will be offered to you by the AMS Office of Vocations.

Step 3: Attend one of the two annual vocation discernment retreats sponsored by the AMS. This retreat will give you the opportunity to meet with the AMS Director of Vocations and military priest-chaplains from the different branches of service to learn more about the rewards and challenges of serving both God and your country.

Step 4: If a mutual decision has been made between you and your bishop or religious superior giving you permission to be a co-sponsored seminarian chaplain candidate, you will then be invited to apply for the Co-Sponsored Seminarian Program.

Can I choose which military branch I would serve as chaplain?

Yes. Candidates are free to choose whether they wish to serve with the Army, Navy, or Air Force. The Coast Guard and the Marine Corps are served by Navy chaplains.

What if my bishop or I discern that I should not be a military chaplain?

The decision to end a candidate's status as a Chaplain Candidate or a Reservist whether by the candidate, his bishop, or the military service removes you from the Co-Sponsored Seminarian Program. Termination of this program, however, does not directly affect your status as a seminarian or priest of the local diocese or religious community.

Who do I contact to start the process to become a military chaplain through the Co-Sponsored Seminarian Program?

If you are a layman, military or civilian, consult your local pastor, vocation director or Catholic chaplain before applying. If your priest feels you should begin the process, the pastor or chaplain will make initial contact for you with the Director of Vocations of the Archdiocese for the Military Services. You may also initiate contact yourself at the following address:
It seems to be far more a matter of lack of interest in qualified people than anything else. I think that would also explain why so many are evangelicals. It is really a matter of who shows an interest and is supposedly considered to be qualified than anything else.
 
Perhaps we should stop calling it chaplain and call it counselor or something like in Star Trek, and remove all religious connotations. Some counselors can still be religious of course, but that would be a private matter.

That's fine, and it already exists. Religious people should not be denied their actual REAL chaplains, though.
 
A chaplain isn't a purely religious post though, which is where you err.

Actually, you err on this part, as I mentioned previously, Chaplains require sponsorship of a religious organization as part of the commissioning process.

At its core, it is precisely a religious post. Their other duties stem outward from that core.

96.85% of US military chaplains are Christian. The largest number portion of these are evangelical Christians who make up 33-62.74% of the total number of chaplains, depending on how evangelical is defined. 1.08% of chaplains are Jewish, .29% Muslim, .08% Buddhist, and .02% Hindu.

68.82% of the troops are Christian, .33% Jewish, .24% Muslim, .38% Buddhist, and .07% Hindu. .67% identify as atheist and .12% as agnostic. The remainder have reported no religious preference or their religious preference is unknown.

This can be deceiving however. For example, while I was a non-denominational Christian while serving, I was listed as having 'no religious preference' because there was not a non-denominational Christian choice to be made.
 
I don't consider it denying someone something, I just wonder if the need is real or imaginary. What is it that a religious chaplain can do(who not necessarily share your religion as you stated earlier) that a psychologist cannot?
 
I don't consider it denying someone something, I just wonder if the need is real or imaginary. What is it that a religious chaplain can do(who not necessarily share your religion as you stated earlier) that a psychologist cannot?

Give advice based on their religion.
 
Haha, I am one convinced atheist but I couldn't fulfill the role of a chaplain. No way in hell.

I'd be like "you're going to get shot and die, sorry :("

I don't consider it denying someone something, I just wonder if the need is real or imaginary. What is it that a religious chaplain can do(who not necessarily share your religion as you stated earlier) that a psychologist cannot?

Based on my experience with psychologists, therapists, and psychiatrists they're useless as well. Just as deluded as religious nuts most of the time.

They're deluded in the "Everyone is wonderful, life is happy, and it always gets better. Have a puppy rainbow!" manner as opposed to the "Ancient sky spirit gonna kick ur ass" manner.

At least Christianity has a little substance and some teeth to it. Beats puppy rainbows even in my book.
 
Actually, you err on this part, as I mentioned previously, Chaplains require sponsorship of a religious organization as part of the commissioning process.

At its core, it is precisely a religious post. Their other duties stem outward from that core.

This seems to contradict the humanist chaplains I brought up earlier, but I am guessing that you are talking about the specific requirement as required by U.S. law for the U.S. military or whatever.

But we are talking about chaplains in general, aren't we? The OP asked what an atheist chaplain could do. It seems like the position could be then religious or spiritual in nature, and an atheist chaplain could fill the spiritual need just fine.
 
Lets cut the BS, the idea of an atheist chaplain is absolutely absurd on the face of it. Chaplains are there to serve the religious members of the command, and as such, must be religious. There is no real need for a discussion on this.

The only thing an atheist chaplain could do is sit in his office collecting a fat paycheck.
 
Why can't an atheist give the same advice?

Wouldn't that be extremely disingenuous?

I would think so.

This seems to contradict the humanist chaplains I brought up earlier, but I am guessing that you are talking about the specific requirement as required by U.S. law for the U.S. military or whatever.

But we are talking about chaplains in general, aren't we? The OP asked what an atheist chaplain could do. It seems like the position could be then religious or spiritual in nature, and an atheist chaplain could fill the spiritual need just fine.

I'm thinking not.

But hey, if you guys are keen on making atheism a full blown religion, go for it.
 
Lets cut the BS, the idea of an atheist chaplain is absolutely absurd on the face of it. Chaplains are there to serve the religious members of the command, and as such, must be religious. There is no real need for a discussion on this.

The only thing an atheist chaplain could do is sit in his office collecting a fat paycheck.

That's assuming that a chaplain provides religious services. That's old news.

And nobody seems to want to touch my atheist religious Buddhist example.

MobBoss said:
I'm thinking not.

But hey, if you guys are keen on making atheism a full blown religion, go for it.

Hey, the question is what an atheist chaplain could do.

Atheist chaplains seem to exist so.. why don't we check what they do? Instead of pretending that they're impossible?
 
That's assuming that a chaplain provides religious services. That's old news.

And nobody seems to want to touch my atheist religious Buddhist example.

That's because it is such an extreme outlier it is negligible.
 
That just it though. The chaplain is not limited to being an advisor, she may also be asked to be a spiritual minister.
 
And nobody seems to want to touch my atheist religious Buddhist example.

I have hard time imagining buddhist soldier fighting with ahimsa/non-violence...
 
It's pretty silly either way. Ground Zero Cross: Redux.

Welcome to why I am no longer interested in atheist militancy.

My "faith" in atheists is at an all time low despite the fact that I still share the overall worldview. I'm starting to think we're just terrible people for the most part.
 
No?

If you've studied theology, and a Christian asks for for advice, I don't see how giving him advice from a Christian theological perspective is disingenuous.

Theologians are not necessarily believers in God, though, and if they are not then they are worthless as religious advisors. They may be the greatest theologian since whatever the greatest theologian equivalent to sliced bread is, but that doesn't make them in any way acceptable as a pastor.
 
It seems to me like the west aside from the U.S. has moved on from chaplain meaning "ordained person" (or whatever), which is why there is so much disagreement in this thread.

If you really want to know what an atheist chaplain would do, you'd google it.. Cause.. they exist, eh. Or at least humanist ones do. Extrapolate from there and there you go
 
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