What's Wrong With the ACLU?

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The ACLU seems to have a cuddly respectable mission statement that every right-thinkin' American should support. I.e "to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to every person in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States."

But it seems to get a lot of flak. Republicans in particular seem to despise it. Why? I'm asking from a position of ignorance, why exactly do some people hate it so?
 
Why do Republicans hate the organization that stands up for civil liberties... hmmm... I wonder... :p

I'm not sure, really, what the deal with the ACLU is. I would assume they're a classy group, but I'm not sure.
 
Just to flip this on its head, why do democrats hate the organization that stands for upholding our Constitutional rights spelled out in the 2nd Amendment.

Regarding the ACLU, speaking as a member, my problem with the organization is that they tend to be less about protecting free speech and more about excising religion from public life in America.
 
This is clearly related to global warming....
 
Just to flip this on its head, why do democrats hate the organization that stands for upholding our Constitutional rights spelled out in the 2nd Amendment.

Regarding the ACLU, speaking as a member, my problem with the organization is that they tend to be less about protecting free speech and more about excising religion from public life in America.

I like the ACLU and the NRA. :)
 
The NRA freaks me out, really. Same with the ACLU.

NRA: I don't support rabid gun law (like the Texas law about shooting someone if they steal something), but I also don't support taking guns away from the populace, since it won't have any effect on crime at all. They just come across like a bunch of trigger-happy gun nuts from some poor, uneducated trailer park in Appalachia, that swear a theocratic and jingoist alleigance to Christian America.

ACLU: I support their goals, but not the way they achieve their aims...though they are certainly better than the NAACP.
 
The ACLU stands up for civil liberties about as much as the patriot act is all about patriotism.

Names or stated goals are worthless. Actions are what count. That is why the ACLU is distrusted by a majority of Americans.
 
Why do Republicans hate the organization that stands up for civil liberties... hmmm... I wonder... :p

I'm not sure, really, what the deal with the ACLU is. I would assume they're a classy group, but I'm not sure.

I don't know! Why don't Democrats hate the organization that stands up for civil liberties considering that the ACLU was against the very thing that Democrats fought for during the Civil War? :p

And don't give me that "But the Republicans of now are the Democrats of then" garbage! That's like saying the neighbor of a killer now is the killer of then!
 
"Conservatives" don't like it because they are often seen defending people they don't like but don't really get in their way anyway. Gays, muslims etc.

I don't like it because it barely does anything and should do more.
 
They are also responsible for benedictions being banned from graduations, Jolly. That's reprehensible.
 
They are also responsible for benedictions being banned from graduations, Jolly. That's reprehensible.
What's so reprehensible about it? Why should a non-religious person have their graduation ceremony loaded with a bunch of public displays of supersticion? It doesn't take away from anyone's ability to offer a private prayer or attend a private school with benediction-laden ceremonies.
 
Regarding the ACLU, speaking as a member, my problem with the organization is that they tend to be less about protecting free speech and more about excising religion from public life in America.

ACLU: I support their goals, but not the way they achieve their aims...though they are certainly better than the NAACP.

The ACLU stands up for civil liberties about as much as the patriot act is all about patriotism.

Names or stated goals are worthless. Actions are what count. That is why the ACLU is distrusted by a majority of Americans.

Elaborate people!

How do they try to excise religion?
What exactly is wrong about the ways they achieve their aims?
How is inaction a reason to actively dislike a civil organization?
 
I imagine it's because a lot of Christians have a mission to try and convert all the heathens. So when they see the ACLU stand up for non-Christian rights they see them as an evil organization and ignore all the times the ACLU stood up for Christians.
 
The ACLU's mission statement is hard to argue against when their mission statement is just a mission statement. But when it's practiced, the ACLU then gets a lot of flak. When the ACLU defended a KKK-like group that was denied right of assembly by a mostly Jewish town council, the ACLU defended the rights of the KKK group. When the ACLU defended minorities by arguing the crucifix who an unlawful endorsement of religion, the ACLU stepped on a lot of other peoples' toes on the process. The ACLU gets to be unpopular when the ACLU attacks populist sentimentality the ACLU feels denies other people their civil rights and they go even further and try to make some of that deeply held sentiment illegal. It is not that hard to understand why the ACLU is not enjoyed by a lot of people.
 
Wiki list of ALCU positions

Religious liberty: Defends the individual right of Americans of all religions to practice and/or display affirmations of their faith in public, but not on public property with government sponsorship or endorsement.
The decriminalization of drugs such as heroin, cocaine and marijuana.
Separation of church and state; under this mandate, the ACLU:

* Opposes the government-sponsored display of religious symbols on public property.
* Opposes official prayers, religious ceremonies, and some kinds of "moments of silence" in public schools or schools funded with public money.

Full freedom of speech and of the press, including school newspapers.
Abolition of capital punishment.
Reproductive rights, including the right to use contraception and to have an abortion.
Full civil rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people, including government benefits for same-sex couples equal to those provided for heterosexual ones.
Affirmative action as a means of redressing past discrimination and achieving a racially diverse student body.
The rights of defendants and suspects against unconstitutional police practices.
Privacy as it "works to preserve the American tradition that the government not track individuals or violate privacy unless it has evidence of wrongdoing."
Immigrants' rights by "challenging unconstitutional laws and practices, countering the myths upon which many of these laws are based."
Concerning the Second Amendment, specifically gun control, the ACLU embraces the States' Right Model interpretation of the Second Amendment, which only recognizes a state's right to possess firearms, the organization officially declares itself "neutral" on the issue of gun control, pointing to previous Supreme Court decisions such as United States v. Miller to argue that the Second Amendment applies to the preservation or efficiency of a well-regulated militia, and that "except for lawful police and military purposes, the possession of firearms by individuals is not constitutionally protected."

It's a mixed bag for me, I support some of their positions, others are shades of gray but there's a few I absolutely disagree:
Decriminalization of drugs
Abolition of capitol punishment
Right to abortion
Affirmative Action
 
What the ACLU does is try to keep the government acting within Constitutional limits. So that in and of itself explains why conservatives hate it.

The NRA is ok in concept, but in practice has been outstandingly unethical far too many times for my taste.
 
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