Where are those Civ unlock requirements?

[j51]

Aren’t there both historical and geographic unlocks? So say Maya or the Mississippians could be a geographic unlock (both at quite the stretch) for the Inca, but not historical, which would presumably come later with an antiquity Andean civ.

 

[Leucarum]

I would guess that once fulfilled, the civ is permanently unlocked. It's just more player-friendly that way (although I might actually prefer the thrill and "realism" of the other option).

I suspect so too, though maybe we'll be surprised.

For the Mongols particularly, I'm wondering whether it is possible to just trade for additional horses to fulfill the condition.

That could maybe feel cheap? But maybe you want the player to reach more unlock conditions rather than less so they'll make them easier to hit.

 

[Zaarin]

Maybe Genghis Khan can be shown as a Leader who unlocks Mongolia.

And we basically know Genghis Khan is in the base game because the devs said it was a mistake not to include Genghis Khan in Civ5/6 base.

 

[RedCourtJester]

And we basically know Genghis Khan is in the base game because the devs said it was a mistake not to include Genghis Khan in Civ5/6 base.

Genghis or Mongolia? I suppose it doesn't matter much, but one would think if Mongolia is going to prefer to progress to Qing, it might as well be Kublai for better implied synergy.

 

[Verified_Confection_Being]

And we basically know Genghis Khan is in the base game because the devs said it was a mistake not to include Genghis Khan in Civ5/6 base.

Would certainly be a bit embarrassing saying this and then not having him in the base game

 

[Zaarin]

Genghis or Mongolia? I suppose it doesn't matter much, but one would think if Mongolia is going to prefer to progress to Qing, it might as well be Kublai for better implied synergy.

Genghis Khan.

 

[Siptah]

Genghis Khan.

Gandhi confirmed

 

[Zaarin]

Gandhi confirmed

Hopefully he's one badly aged tradition we can let go...

 

[RedCourtJester]

Genghis Khan.

Hm. I think we are likely to see him or Kublai at launch, but it really depends on what the final "idea" of VII is at launch. If mix and match, Genghis is fine. If there are leader paths, I think Kublai makes more sense at launch (as Han and Qing are already in the game), and Genghis can wait for better Turko-Mongolic options than "Russia" to end up in (and presumably Xiongnu to start from).

 

[Siptah]

Hopefully he's one badly aged tradition we can let go...

But then who's in the favorite club besides Genghis, Shaka, and Alexander?

But yeah, I think since we have Ashoka, Gandhi is out for the base game. I would also be happy without Shaka.
Fingers crossed for no leader born post 1900 from my side.

 

[RedCourtJester]

Hopefully he's one badly aged tradition we can let go...

I think he's even more likely to appear in VII as the other bookend to India. Now that actual heads of state aren't necessary (not like it stopped Amaterasu before...).

But then who's in the favorite club besides Genghis, Shaka, and Alexander?

But yeah, I think since we have Ashoka, Gandhi is out for the base game. I would also be happy without Shaka.
Fingers crossed for no leader born post 1900 from my side.

Wu Zetian is practically a staple, she made it in II, IV, beat everyone else for V, and was added in VI. And I think if we get Tang China in VII she's just an auto-include. Elizabeth has also been in every game I believe.

Going just by who returns from VI? My bets are on Simon Bolivar because of how unique his niche is. Tamar because she is meme. And Eleanor because even if we could have William the Conqueror, why? He's not pink.

 

[Zaarin]

And Eleanor

I've warmed up to her just because I love listening to her speak Occitan, but I still hate how they portrayed her. Either they should have gone authentic (e.g., give the poor woman a wimple; women didn't wear their hair down in the 12th century) or just go full on Pre-Raphaelite and give her red hair and a strong jawline and a Roman nose and sumptuous brocade and an expression that conveys just how much she despairs of life.

 

[chaosprophet]

Gandhi confirmed

At least go full on the meme and eventually release a modern civ called Gandhi India which has unique atomic bombs.

 

[RedCourtJester]

I've warmed up to her just because I love listening to her speak Occitan, but I still hate how they portrayed her. Either they should have gone authentic (e.g., give the poor woman a wimple; women didn't wear their hair down in the 12th century) or just go full on Pre-Raphaelite and give her red hair and a strong jawline and a Roman nose and sumptuous brocade and an expression that conveys just how much she despairs of life.

So you just wanted Katherine Hepburn, gotcha.

In all seriousness, I just want her gameplay back. While I think she is another leader that perfectly embodies/embraces Civ VI's design sensibilities (it was, after all, extremely "Disney"), I think that would likely be left behind in a transition to VII. Maybe we can have both: Julie Andrews gameplay, Katherine Hepburn leader design. Or MAYBE she can be anti-Eleanor, converting cities with despair instead of love.

 

[Zaarin]

So you just wanted Katherine Hepburn, gotcha.

Chiefly I was thinking of Elizabeth Siddall, but also Rosetti's other muses and [url=https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Dante_Gabriel_Rossetti_-_Proserpine.jpg]Jane Morris. Actually, this is Waterhouse, not Rosetti, but I always thought this image would be a beautiful touchstone for Eleanor:

Spoiler :

At any rate, I felt like Eleanor's design was definitely rooted in the Pre-Raphaelite aesthetic rather than anything genuinely Medieval, but then they gave her a very Barbie-ish face and golden hair and slender figure...and the combination felt weird to me.

In all seriousness, I just want her gameplay back.

Hypothetically, I should love her game design--she's basically designed to give culture players like me an opportunity to be a little more aggressive. But I never found her ability extremely effective; loyalty bonuses and penalties are just too unimportant in Civ6. We have yet to see an equivalent of loyalty in Civ7, though.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

But then who's in the favorite club besides Genghis, Shaka, and Alexander?

But yeah, I think since we have Ashoka, Gandhi is out for the base game. I would also be happy without Shaka.
Fingers crossed for no leader born post 1900 from my side.

Elizabeth has also been in every game. Since we know we're not getting an Exploration Age England, Elizabeth can show up representing that.

As far as leaders go, I think that also counts as gameplay unlock requirements. For Songhai that just means playing as Amina.

 

[Zaarin]

Elizabeth has also been in every game. Since we know we're not getting an Exploration Age England, Elizabeth can show up representing that.

I think Elizabeth will come, but not in the base game. It would be very strange to choose the Normans and not include William the Conqueror IMO.