Which country is the most nationalistic?

[Traitorfish]

Don't know exactly what you mean - language is important part of culture.

Yes and no; language is an important medium of cultural exchange, but, in itself, is ultimately secondary. The Bretons and Welsh, for example, speak languages far more closely related to each other than to anything else, yet both share more culture with their larger neighbours, France and England, respectively, than they do with each other. Similarly, the non-Indo-European speaking Basques share more culture with Spain than the Romance speaking French, the Magyars of Hungary share more culture with Austria and Slovakia than with their Finno-Ulgric cousins in Finland and Estonia, who themselves align themselves more closely with Sweden than with anywhere else.
Linguistic relationships tend to represent, rather than instigate shared culture; they usually represent the adoption of a non-native language (such as the adoption of Irish by English) or shared historical roots (such as the related cultures of Czechia and Slovakia).

Anyway, as TheLastOne noted, the West and East Slavic languages diverged over fifteen hundred years ago; while their may indeed be some residual cultural links with Eastern Slavic Europe, they would be no prominent that those between, say, the Low West Germans of England and the High West Germans of Germany, which we identify as Western and Central Europe, respectively, and probably far less so, given the deep religious divide between the two, and the lack of significant economic and political links until the modern era.

 

[Aquila SPQR]

Or are just trolls.

I tried to describe it... in a more diplomatic way

As for "Polish cavalry charge", I don't know much about that, except that thing probably originated from Guderian's memoirs. The fact itself doesn't sound to me impossible or stupid - history knows even more stupid military actions or misplaced orders, like British light cavalry charge. Feel free to correct me if you want though.

No, I don't have a need to correct you. But if you ever have questions about it or will be truly curious - I'll gladly try to do my best to give you answers.

 

[Elta]

You know, Puerto Rico is not a country, but if it were it would be in the top 5 by far.


..... they are very proud to be from there, to a level of madness almost.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

Poland is in Polish Europe. And Poles are Polish Europeans. It's obvious.

 

[Mustakrakish]

I would say 1# USA, 2# Poland, 3# Russia. Seriously sometimes it scares me when I see random US people sharing their beliefs about other countries for example. Or how they always sure they're right, their cause is just, they got the real (and only they) free speech, black and white moral etc etc etc.
Please don't think that this is my general opinion of USA and its people.

 

[Ahovking]

Australia is not the most nationalistic country, although we love our country and believe we are the likest country in the world most of us believe that the most other country cane out do us in much of what we do.

i belive the most nationalistic country the Usa
Resions
>When you say the Us is weaking they so No way we are to big to fail
>when you point out the Debt they have they simple cant see the impate its going to have.
>they Country was founded mostly be Christians and the freedom in which comes with it and what made them great.the Us is losing its freedom which now the Country's trying ban religions songs in schools (no freedom)and trying to ban Christmas(no Freedom)
they are losing there freedom and cant see it.

 

[Glassfan]

i belive the most nationalistic country the Usa.

That may be the view from down under, but if you actually lived here and experienced our internal debate - the local America bashing, the blame-America-first crowd among acedemics and media, the "USAistheworstwarmongimperialsts" among leftists, etc., etc., you might think twice.

 

[Ahovking]

That may be the view from down under, but if you actually lived here and experienced our internal debate - the local America bashing, the blame-America-first crowd among acedemics and media, the "USAistheworstwarmongimperialsts" among leftists, etc., etc., you might think twice.

i watch Fox New and i see your local America bashing, the blame-America-first crowd among acedemics and media, i see this as a the beginning of the end of America but every time i say this most America say no way it cant happen they mite fight at home but when the go into the world they United.

 

[Glassfan]

i watch Fox News...

Well, there's your problem.

 

[Ahovking]

I bet almost all the Third World countries whose national policy include nationalism and patriotism fall into "most nationalistic."

i don't think so, most Third World countries have Government which see's the people nothing more than just tools and the people of the Third World countries hate there Government for that.

 

[Tank_Guy#3]

The US, hands down. In Europe, I'd have to say Poland.

Which makes things difficult for me, being American and very heavily Polish (ethnicity wise).

 

[Ahovking]

Well, there's your problem.

lol is not just Fox News its CNN, BBC, Bloomberg, but Fox News is the biggest news channel in the Us for 4 years now

 

[Ahovking]

Yes, and what better way to make people don't notice that governments take advantage of them than to give them something to believe in. Sometimes it's religion, sometimes it's the nation.

yes will i think you are wining this argument but could you give some examples

 

[Ekolite]

People were discussing the UK earlier in this thread, and can I just say that as an actual english person it really is not the case. In the UK overt displays of nationalism (outside the world cup) are seen as embarrassing. People don't have flags hanging up anywhere or talk about our country as if its some kind of fantastic place. We don't sing the national anthem except at football matches, and we don't celebrate Saint George's day. We don't even get a day off work for it.

In the UK, nationalism is seen almost as extremism. It's ascociated with racism, euroscepticism and frankly delusion. If you are overtly nationalistic outside certain accepted times and places your considered weird and likely to be accused of supporting the BNP.

Yes we are (stupidly) resisting EU integration, but it doesn't have much to do with nationalism in my opinion. More like delusions of grandeur.

We are a country in terminal decline, and since the fall of the British Empire we've had nothing to be proud of.

 

[Glassfan]

People were discussing the UK earlier in this thread, and can I just say that as an actual english person it really is not the case. In the UK overt displays of nationalism (outside the world cup) are seen as embarrassing. People don't have flags hanging up anywhere or talk about our country as if its some kind of fantastic place. We don't sing the national anthem except at football matches, and we don't celebrate Saint George's day. We don't even get a day off work for it.

In the UK, nationalism is seen almost as extremism. It's associated with racism, euroscepticism and frankly delusion. If you are overtly nationalistic outside certain accepted times and places your considered weird and likely to be accused of supporting the BNP.

I think this is probably true of many Western countries. Certainly this American identifies with the things you point out. Our own 4th of July (Independence Day) is a big Car Sales Holiday. Patriotism is synonymous with jingoism. Political correctness questions American accomplishments, achievements and ridicules any sense of moral or intellectual authority.

While I don't think the first world is actually in decline, its' period of dominance is surely over. There are rising cultures in Asia which are far more nationalistic than we.

 

[civ_king]

Australia is not the most nationalistic country, although we love our country and believe we are the likest country in the world most of us believe that the most other country cane out do us in much of what we do.

i belive the most nationalistic country the Usa
Resions
>When you say the Us is weaking they so No way we are to big to fail
>when you point out the Debt they have they simple cant see the impate its going to have.
>they Country was founded mostly be Christians and the freedom in which comes with it and what made them great.the Us is losing its freedom which now the Country's trying ban religions songs in schools (no freedom)and trying to ban Christmas(no Freedom)
they are losing there freedom and cant see it.

You do realize that currently the SCOTUS is dominated by conservatives

i watch Fox New and i see your local America bashing, the blame-America-first crowd among acedemics and media, i see this as a the beginning of the end of America but every time i say this most America say no way it cant happen they mite fight at home but when the go into the world they United.

Fox News is what happens when a entertainment channel drinks the RNC's piss and then thinks it's a news station

If you study US history textbooks you will see why they do that, Iran for example hates us because we overthrew their democracy once and tried a second time

 

[Mustakrakish]

People were discussing the UK earlier in this thread, and can I just say that as an actual english person it really is not the case. In the UK overt displays of nationalism (outside the world cup) are seen as embarrassing. People don't have flags hanging up anywhere or talk about our country as if its some kind of fantastic place. We don't sing the national anthem except at football matches, and we don't celebrate Saint George's day. We don't even get a day off work for it.

Good point. I must add that it's pretty much the same with Russia. They don't sing national anthem except at football/hochey matches and flags? What flags? Seriously you'll be lucky to find a flag hanging and it will be on some government building, you won't see them hanging around as opposed to Finland for example where flags are hanging outside each house during special holidays. And someone told about UK that whenever they speak something like "only in UK..." they mean something bad, well it's the same with Russians etc.
I did place it number 3, but because I don't really know about the case in other countries, but now that I think of it I was a little biased so here is my new list:
1# USA
2# Poland
3# Finland
4# Russia
of those that I know about. I don't use other countries in this list because I know next to nothing about the situation in other countries.

 

[Ahovking]

You do realize that currently the SCOTUS is dominated by conservatives

yes i realize that. but if i was you look what your Government is doing to the country.

Fox News is what happens when a entertainment channel drinks the RNC's piss and then thinks it's a news station

If you study US history textbooks you will see why they do that, Iran for example hates us because we overthrew their democracy once and tried a second time

Yes well one i don't just watch Fox News But If you look at the rating of Fox News is one of the largest News Channels in the Us. and i wouldn't trust the US history textbooks too.

 

[Racsoviale]

Actually when I think about it, we have some sort of weird solidarity nationalism in my country. It is not nationalism in the scary we-are-better-than-everyone-else nationalism/patriotism, but instead it is based on the Biedermeier era and the war of 1864 where we lost to Prussia/Austria and was permanently reduced to a middle/minor power in the European political theatre.

The territorial losses of the war changed the mood of Danish society which boils down to the words "what is lost outwardly, is won inwardly" society started to focus on strenthening the integrity of what was left and a romantic wave made changed the view people had about what it meant to be proud to be a great dane(pun absolutely intended).
From the usual yardstick of grandness being decided on territorial size it changed to the common identity all citizens felt about being danish, which can be seen through paintings and writings of the time. It helped solidify a unity through the nation.

All in all it was a form of soft nationalism based on unity and solidarity through the land caused by the crippling defeat in 1864 and the realisation that Denmark was no longer a major power in europe.

unfortunately this has become the foundation of the leading nationalist party in Denmark, which has perverted the solidarity angle into a pseudo fascist/racist platform.

I believe the main difference im trying to claim is between nationalism based on political and millitary accomplishments and the institutionalization of nationalism, which I see in american patriotism(the pledge of allegiance comes to mind), the same vibe comes from the staunch approach(which can be seen on quite a few american posters on this board) to whether or not USA lost or won the Vietnam war or the war of 1812.
compared to the more laissez faire approach to past wars here, the war in 1864 and the retardedness of the swedes are almost always brought up in a friendly manner when we play football with them. The same lax nationalism I see in the monarchy which I suppose has the same role as institutionalized nationalism as the american pledge of allegiance. The difference I get in this is the indifference towards the royal house, they are human symbols and all their mistakes comes in the spotlight making which makes them a uniting factor for the state but also makes their status as national symbols have a lesser impact of how we as a people react to their doings. It is a tradition to always watch the queens speach to the people at new years eve, but in the same time it is tradition to joke about her rhetoric and certain parts of her speach. In general I see a more sarcastic approach towards nationalism in Europe than I see in america.

A question for fellow middle/minor power posters: have you guys had similar events happen which took the form of this soft nationalism in your countries.

 

[gangleri2001]

Definitely China. After having contact with both, Chinese and Americans, and being nationalist myself, I think that I can quite surely state that the chinese nationalist feelings of the average citizen dwafs all the others.