Which country is the most nationalistic?

[Ayn Rand]

@ Racsoviale - fascinating post

I very much like Prussia but I always find it hard to agree with the 1864 war, it was the start of the slippery slope for them. Anyway, nice insight to Danish nationalism.

 

[W|M]

I only looked at the 1st page and this one, but I'm surprised I haven't seen North Korea being mentioned - They worship a leader who wasn't that good (at least what I know about him), and are only beginning to feel sentiment for their current crappy leader who is starving them.

 

[gangleri2001]

I only looked at the 1st page and this one, but I'm surprised I haven't seen North Korea being mentioned - They worship a leader who wasn't that good (at least what I know about him), and are only beginning to feel sentiment for their current crappy leader who is starving them.

North Korea has not been mentioned because they are forced to worship their "Dear Leader" and most of those who do it willingly are brainwashed by isolation with the rest of the world. North korean dissidents show quite clearly that there's in fact not nationalism, only fear of the government.

 

[Aleksey_aka_al]

Of course dissidents are feared of the government, it's natural for dissidents and doesn't atomatically mean that common people are.

 

[Domen]

*Remembers the "Curie and Copernicus belong to US" debates*

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[aronnax]

You guys can't be serious. The Greek-Turkish Internet war has been raging for years in forums and comment boxes of youtube videos.

I'll tie the two at first place.

 

[Ajidica]

I dunno, those Eastern Europeans may take the cake.

 

[Tahuti]

You guys can't be serious. The Greek-Turkish Internet war has been raging for years in forums and comment boxes of youtube videos.

I'll tie the two at first place.

That's no different than the debates and inflaming comments Dutch and German football fans place on eachother's videos. That said, I do believe you in that nationalism among Greeks and Turks is stronger than otherwise.

I dunno, those Eastern Europeans may take the cake.

Yeah: Practically every Azerbaijani, Armenian, Russian and Pole I've encountered on the internet is a bigoted nationalist and I'm dead serious to the point I'm almost beginning to develop ethnic prejudice against these peoples myself, even though I know very well that are plenty of okay people among them. I honestly don't think it's innate to these cultures, but rather that the circumstances there are ripe for nationalistic sentiment, much like Weimar Germany was a breeding ground for Nazism as well. It's not so different from the kind of nationalism from which Western European populists derive their popularity from.

 

[Domen]

Practically every Azerbaijani, Armenian, Russian and Pole I've encountered on the internet is a bigoted nationalist

If you call me a nationalist, I will respond you with a pre-war poem by a Polish-Jewish poet Julian Tuwim (it says what you should do if you call me a nationalist):


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[Tahuti]

While you're pretty nationalistic, you're not a bigot. I wasn't referring to you Domen.

 

[Tee Kay]

You guys can't be serious. The Greek-Turkish Internet war has been raging for years in forums and comment boxes of youtube videos.

I'll tie the two at first place.

I dunno, those Eastern Europeans may take the cake.

They are Eastern Europeans.

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

Australians do tend to go on , tediously , about how it's the best place to live in the world . But if you look a little closer there is a huge element of insecurity . We want to be respected by the rest of the world and try to overcompensate by achievement in sport mostly . It's totally cringeworthy to hear any visiting American constantly asked "So what do you think of Australia ?"

I will say this though , jokes about being a nation of convicts are like water off a ducks back . We like this unique heritage .

 

[HannibalBarka]

Among the countries I know people from, it's China and the US. They are both very nationalistic. US american have a grand faith in the destiny of their nation and think that it does good, always. Very few would admit that their country would do evil when it serves its interests (while many French or British do admit that).
Chinese are nationalist and they don't care if their country is right or wrong, they will side with it, they easily admit that their country is defending its interests like every other country.
The two nationalism are also different. The Us's looks milder because no recent history challenged US nationalism the way it did for China. The worst blow the US had in the last century were Peral Harbor, Vietnam and maybe 911. But those 3 hits were either "venged" or did not really hit the US soil directly (Vietnam). China nationalism however is very much fueled by the "catastrophes" that hit a country that thought of itself as the Central Empire for centuries. From the Opuim wars, the japanese invasions, the cecession of Taiwan (imagine the US reaction if a Chinese backed regime in Hawai ceceed from the US), etc.

 

[Domen]

I have an impression that some people don't really know what they are talking about (i.e. they don't know what is the definition of nationalism).

There was once an interesting discussion "Patriotism, nationalism, chauvinism, xenophobia" in Polish TV Puls:

R: - Also the real meaning of the word patriotism is now changing. In the past - great, with great significance, nowadays patriotism is mentioned in negative context, while in fact...

W: - By whom?

R: - Well, there are such newspapers.

M: - By our trainers, hahaha.

R: - There are such newspapers, yes. Because, we have 3 terms here: patriotism, nationalism and chauvinism. Today also patriotism is classified as such a specific form of nationalism.

W: - Patriotism is just simply solidarity with one's own nation...

R: - And nationalism?

W: - But I haven't finished yet. The reason for this solidarity is because it is my nation. And the accusation of xenophobia refers to this - that a person distinguishes between "my people" and "the others". A patriot is someone who distinguishes between "ours" and "others" and I, as a Pole, will treat a Pole differently than a German or a Hungarian. And nationalism - it is solidarity with one's own nation not because it is my nation, but because I consider it to be a better nation than other nations. And I consider as appropriate to exalt myself due to this fact, so...

R: - Exalting but not at the cost of other nations? Because this would be chauvinism.

M: - I think that nationalism is a very natural view. A person is usually complacent with oneself, unless they have some reasons to be unsatisfied with oneself. Nationalism in general is a political view, we need to start with this, which comes down to the fact that every ethnic community should politically organize itself into a state. Nationalism is also present Jews in the form of Zionism, nobody considers it as something wrong. It is a view just as any other view. We can of course dispute with it, but it doesn't deserve for condemnation per se and a priori...

W: - However, in my understanding Zionism very clearly contains this form of nationalism which says that this is a better nation.

M: - May I finish, Mr professor? The difference between nationalism and chauvinism... - it can be best explained with use of comparison to family relations. Nationalism rests on the situation when for example I have children - so I am responsible in the first instance for my own children, because they are my children, I gave them life, etc. While for someone else's children I am of course responsible but only, so to speak, in the second instance. While chauvinism...

W: - In the fourth instance...

M: - Ok, let's say so. Never mind. While chauvinism would rest on - using the same comparison to family relations - that I would start to murder someone else's children in order to secure better chances for my own ones.

R: - Apart from antisemitism, very often, also a word called xenophobe functions in language. Who is xenophobe?

W: - But this word is a new invention. The case of antisemitism is old, while xenophobe - this is generalization of the concept of antisemite. At first the notion of antisemitism was going to be penalized. And now the scope of it was expanded [to other nations than Semites]. And so xenophobe is such a "generalized antisemite". Simply aversion in general to strangers.

M: - Yes, exactly, properly it is anxiety, fear of strangers. Literally it means fear of strangers, so...

W: - Even caution of strangers.

M: - Even caution of strangers. I think that a certain dose of xenophobia is by and large indispensible, in order to determine one's identity.

W: - Yes, for example when you lock the door to your own house behind you when you go out! Then you are clearly a xenophobe! Hahaha!

M: - But even to determine one's identity. For example children, students of 1st class of primary school. Some of them are from class I A and some from class I B. And they talk about themselves: "We are from I A, those guys are from I B". And this is showing that those from I B are "strangers" and they are "not ours". Thus, some minimum of xenophobia is a necessary condition of determining one's identity - such a distance, caution, I think.

W: - There are various antipathies between various nations, and this is quite a normal thing. Something different is abnormal - that these antipathies are desired to be penalized. That people are supposed to be legally, under legal criminal sanction, forced to treat all other nations kindly. Everyone has right to their own antipathies and legal system should have nothing to do with it.

 

[kochman]

Now I use the term 'nationalistic' as a synonym for 'loves their country', 'patriotic', 'my country, right or wrong', 'jingoistic, whatever. I know it has a few different meanings, but let's not be pedantic asshats by picking apart the thread when it's perfectly clear what I'm asking.

Countries I think should be considered

USA
UK
China
Russia
Poland
Australia
France
Japan

Germany

 

[Domen]

Now I use the term 'nationalistic' as a synonym for 'loves their country', 'patriotic', 'my country, right or wrong', 'jingoistic, whatever. I know it has a few different meanings, but let's not be pedantic asshats by picking apart the thread when it's perfectly clear what I'm asking.

"Nationalistic" has only one meaning (not "a few different") and is not a synonym to "patriotic".

You are one of those people who don't know the real meaning of these words (nationalism, patriotism, etc.) that I referred to above.

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As to the question asked in this thread:

US american have a grand faith in the destiny of their nation and think that it does good, always.

Yes I agree that Americans are by far the most nationalistic and chavunist nation on Earth. Russians, who weep over "lost empire", follow closely.

Dachs (who is American) even said that "but Americans are justified to be nationalistic, because they really are great" - or something like this.

Claims that Eastern Europeans are nationalistic are false.

These nations were in the "far end" of the world from 1945 to 1989 and nowadays just want more attention in the world - which they deserve.

On the other hand, so called "Westerners" deny this attention and importance to these, so called, "East Europeans". And insult them, calling them nationalists.

That's because "Westerners" are nationalists themselves, and don't want to give up even a small chunk of their "importance in the world", to someone else.

Thank you. Hope your nationalistic "Western" hearts and brains will not get insulted by this honest truth, which I just revealed.

 

[rollo1066]

Of the countries listed I would say USA and China are the most nationalistic. South American counties are quite nationalistic as well, especiallhy Brazil.

 

[Traitorfish]

Yes I agree that Americans are by far the most nationalistic and chavunist nation on Earth. Russians, who weep over "lost empire", follow closely.

Dachs (who is American) even said that "but Americans are justified to be nationalistic, because they really are great" - or something like this.

Claims that Eastern Europeans are nationalistic are false.

These nations were in the "far end" of the world from 1945 to 1989 and nowadays just want more attention in the world - which they deserve.

On the other hand, so called "Westerners" deny this attention and importance to these, so called, "East Europeans". And insult them, calling them nationalists.

That's because "Westerners" are nationalists themselves, and don't want to give up even a small chunk of their "importance in the world", to someone else.

Thank you. Hope your nationalistic "Western" hearts and brains will not get insulted by this honest truth, which I just revealed.

Wait, if identifying Eastern Europeans as "nationalists" is self-refuting, then doesn't the same apply to your identification of Westerners as "nationalist"? Which then goes on to identify you as the real nationalist, but by pointing that out, you can't be, because I must be the real nationalist. But if you say as much, then I'm not a nationaist, you are, and round and round we go until I have to get off and throw up.

Clever as it may seem, this is a logic which threatens to dissolve into soup at the slightest touch.

 

[NovaKart]

I know I mentioned it before but having lived in Turkey I've found it to be the most nationalist place I've ever been. There's a big segment of the American population that's very nationalist but a whole lot of people aren't and then there's the opposite, the overly apologetic American which is pretty common and like a version of Western/White guilt. I've also found Armenians to be very proud of their heritage, I wouldn't exactly say nationalist since it often doesn't have to do with the current nation of Armenia but more the ethnicity, kind of like Italian-Americans.

 

[Leoreth]

Germany

Germans are very proud of having achieved the greatness of not being nationalistic

Dachs (who is American) even said that "but Americans are justified to be nationalistic, because they really are great" - or something like this.

Haha, as if you could take anything Dachs says at face value. I'm at least 90% sure that was self-deprecating sarcasm.

Claims that Eastern Europeans are nationalistic are false.

These nations were in the "far end" of the world from 1945 to 1989 and nowadays just want more attention in the world - which they deserve.

On the other hand, so called "Westerners" deny this attention and importance to these, so called, "East Europeans". And insult them, calling them nationalists.

That's because "Westerners" are nationalists themselves, and don't want to give up even a small chunk of their "importance in the world", to someone else.

Thank you. Hope your nationalistic "Western" hearts and brains will not get insulted by this honest truth, which I just revealed.

Personal definitions may differ, but in my opinion, to even hold the position that there is a certain amount of "respect" or "attention" nations deserve and should therefore demand from the world public, is sufficient to fulfill the definition of a nationalist.