croxis
Chat room op
That will be up to them in their faction proposal
You bet they will fight for the Judiciary, their game centers around it.
I'm trying myself to not make such generalizations any more. If there were such a generalization to be made, it would be closer to say that the central issue seems to be having rules that people must follow.
I give you a standing ovation for that.
Lately I had been turned off by the generalizations about the group that I am in, stating that I would "Keep on repeating the glory of the traditional rules", "Fight for the judiciary", "Traditionalists get their way", and other forms of negativity and generalizations. I have been more and more reluctant to voice my opinions and ideas without fear of negative thoughts and generalizations that I mainly lurk for the most part. Even now I am having second thoughts on signing for the next demogame with the continued negativity.
I may be for the judiary, but it's not a centralized issue and I envision a smaller judicary designed to make sure the game is played fairly with little bureaucracy (Anything serious requires a moderator intervention)
I'm trying myself to not make such generalizations any more. If there were such a generalization to be made, it would be closer to say that the central issue seems to be having rules that people must follow.
Then base what we do off this poll, which seems to be Faction Based. And yes, that is mostly whyI have, so far, limited myself to keeping the game moving and defending my faction-based proposal, but I've found it increasingly tiring just defending. I have yet to see any remarkable reasons as to why we shouldn't use the faction based proposal other than that we shouldn't. It has been, so far, a rather useless debate. I hope that my continued defense, fairly sound reasoning, and solid points/purposes is the reason why the newer players seem to be supporting the faction based proposal.
You were smart in saying that you needed suggestions from other people to tweak the Factions rulesetI've also found the lack of initiative from anyone other than myself, Provo, or croxis rather frustrating. I have found myself increasingly lacking in time (and awareness for that matter) and had hoped several powerful steps forward will get some movement going. Right now all we need to do is finish this poll up, finalize the rules, and then chose our settings. We could have a game running by next weekend.
If we are really going to get this game going again then we are going to need more than just croxis and I asking what you guys want. That will doom the game automatically regardless of ruleset.
The game hasn't even started yet, and bashing accusations are being passed around the table. Why? I have no idea. This game is still in pre-natal stages and it seems to me that most would rather argue an arbitrary point rather than focus and moving the game foward. Yes, we do need a basis for rules. Yet, having a fully formed ruleset, before ANYONE seems interested, defeats the point. I base this off the 10-12 votes in this topic.
When I saw that this game was starting up again, I believe my reaction fell between "whoopie" and "sweet". Now, three weeks later, my reaction has fallen between "yawn" and "ZzZzZzZ." All these arguements and posturing are wearing down my will to sit through all of this. I don't know if people agree with me, but I want to see the game ACTUALLY move from conceptual ideas to a concrete system. Yet, it seems we have neither the numbers or support to do so.
Strider, not to sound like an arse, but you two aren't the only people wanting this game to start. Nor are you the only people who actively formulating possible ways to start the game. We need to kill this partisan attitude before it drives possible demo gamers away. We need to advertise and find more players. We need a wholesale agreement on the basics of the game. Though I know this is all wishful thinking, lost in the fantasies of my imagination, I hope people will see past the inherent political poppycock of these early stages, and join this game. If not to see more activity in these forums, then to actually get this ball rolling.
Please realize that though I support your system, I am kinda put off by your negativity.
I'd be willing to take the initiative into the Demogame if there weren't any attack posts against the "traditionalists". Which, IMO and not to sound like a bum, makes for an unpleasant experience.I've also found the lack of initiative from anyone other than myself, Provo, or croxis rather frustrating.
I was delighted when dutchfire pinpointed the cause that had alluded me; we lacked initiative.
I'd be willing to take the initiative into the Demogame if there weren't any attack posts against the "traditionalists". Which, IMO and not to sound like a bum, makes for an unpleasant experience.
If one is willing to convince that their idea (in this case for example the Fraction based rule set) is a good idea. It's better to give a convincing argument that would make the person more inclined to agree and side with that idea. Attacking the individual (Ad hominem in this case) is NOT a good way to gain support to an idea and will turn people off. It's best to avoid any ad hominems if you wish to convince the traditionalists that eather the Fraction based or Civic Based ruleset is better than the Traditional ruleset.
Provo - ease off the paranoia there, buddy! Put the tin foil hat aside, and stop looking for the black helicopters. Has ANYONE kept the neo-rad cabal hostage? I think not.
You've got twisted, warped viewpoint that honest disagreement means an attack. I'm not sure where that comes from (of course, weeding through your psuedo-intellictual garbage probably should be used by the CIA as an interrogation technicque), but you really need to drop it. NOBODY has "kept you hostage" on this - point to me a single post where that has happened. Indeed, the person that has tried to keep an idea off the table is YOU. Your continued personal attacks on a group of that have the affront to (gasp!) disagree with your preference (oh, the horror!) has had a noticeable impact on people.
You know - I'm quite tired of that. Congratulations, Provo, you've essentially created exactly what you've been calling me. I will now be the thorn in your side. I will adopt the exact tactics you've been using for years now, continually whining, complaining, sniping and showing outright hostility to any idea that I don't like.
I think I'm going to enjoy this, Provo. The neo-rad cabal has an utterly unworkable idea that's still shrouded in vague concepts and destined to collapse under its own weight.
Thank you, Provo, I'm going to enjoy bashing your idea around, and will crow with delight, as you have done, when it collapses and devolves into nothingness.
-- Ravensfire