Also some interjections about how the other people were stupid. But yeah, club-mandated attendance for the General Secretary is really hurting the team. I'm pretty sure nobody is happy with the situation.
While We Wait: Part 5
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Also, our involvement in the lower levels sucks. We have yet to send more than three teams to a tournament.
Accepting payment in Snickers bars for doing homework for drunk people is not one of my brighter ideas.
Seriously? That's really kind of unusual. I guess you can chalk it up to Moros and his amazing success at recruiting during the 2005-6 school year, and the loss of all of those people after the most recent PACE.
It's $4000 dollars for a 100 hours of work, a nice wage of $40/hour I'll grant, but if that is a serious enabler of education I would be surprised. $4000 dollars would cover books fees for a year in some law courses... and that would be about it. It's a social experiment, with a peripheral cash benefit, I'm sure that if you wished to increase accessibility of College to the under privileged (I would hazard a guess but this will not fall exclusively to them...) then you increase the funding for them. It's not a good fiscal idea, or even a good education program in reality, because it's not targeted to those whom would benefit the most from it.
Symphony D.
Deity
Being someone who goes to school on Federal Pell Grant and Subsidized Loan money, I can tell you it goes quite a lot further than that. People eek out livings on $15,000 annual McDonald's salaries in this country (usually less than that--by the way, Grad Students on average, nationally, make $15 more per year than an entry-level McDonald's employee), so $4,000 is a pretty damn good deal for helping people through college in exchange for local work. It's not much different than Federal Work-Study programs except the pay is much better relative to what you do.
These programs already exist. It's not just all of a sudden zomg Socialism! If your EFC (Expected Family Contribution) is low enough, the government hands you money to go to school. Now it's just handing you money for actually doing work instead of just for going to school. This isn't a bloody radical program.
das
Regeneration In Process
Seriously, though, this sounds like a good program and not just from a comradeship-building perspective (which is what they tend to emphasise over here). This sort of lower-level community maintenance is not necessary in USA, from what I could understand (as opposed to certain Soviet farms that went into decline after the student workforce contribution was drastically cut - which is why it is being sort of brought back now, ofcourse), but nonetheless quite useful both in the short term and the long term. It does ultimately run contrary to more extreme variations of libertarianism, but so do many, many other good ideas.
My main objection to the proposal is, 1. they edited a poorly written section after I quoted it 
, 2. It's not targeted to income, and will in all likelihood not end up being used by those who genuinely need it if your going to have a policy instrument like this, then you want to target it more precisely, 3. If its for volunteer work should you be expecting payment? 4. In it's original incarnation it was highly objectionable, I will quote by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year in it's second incarnation its less questionable but still bad economics. It's political fluff, whose benefit you can't really gauge, and because it's un-targeted you can't really allocate it where its needed. If you want stuff like this make it a transfer payment and tie it to income or to need or to whatever [insert desirable characteristic].
It's objectionable to most economists as well Das, if it's not tied to income [parental or otherwise] or whatever its really just middle class welfare.
, 2. It's not targeted to income, and will in all likelihood not end up being used by those who genuinely need it if your going to have a policy instrument like this, then you want to target it more precisely, 3. If its for volunteer work should you be expecting payment? 4. In it's original incarnation it was highly objectionable, I will quote by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year in it's second incarnation its less questionable but still bad economics. It's political fluff, whose benefit you can't really gauge, and because it's un-targeted you can't really allocate it where its needed. If you want stuff like this make it a transfer payment and tie it to income or to need or to whatever [insert desirable characteristic]. It's objectionable to most economists as well Das, if it's not tied to income [parental or otherwise] or whatever its really just middle class welfare.
das
Regeneration In Process
Well, the implementation does seem lacking and unfocused, but that's sort of the opposite angle from the one you attacked it from initially.
In the end it will either essentially amount to nothing or will be reworked and improved upon when those problems of implementation become apparent, so what are you worried about exactly?
In the end it will either essentially amount to nothing or will be reworked and improved upon when those problems of implementation become apparent, so what are you worried about exactly?
They changed the words on me, it went from being a giant, ...WTH, to more of a meh thing. In it's original wording it looked, terrible, in its more polished wording it looks unfocused and economically fluffy.
What worries me is the bad economics of it.
What worries me is the bad economics of it.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
Actually, so am I. I have to get hands on Civ3 again first though.
Yes you can.
The multiplayer version is integrated with the vanilla game Abaddon, if you are online now, I can do a little Apprentice gaming. PM me.
Disenfrancised
Beep Beep
Where in the world are you paying $4000 in book fees? Just camp out in the Library man
. Also law isn't the course they have trouble making people go on 
.As for me £2500 for 100 hours work would have meant I'd only have to had worked over the summer holiday, not summer and easter, which probably would have given me a good 5-10% better score in the end (as Easter is the holiday you revise for finals in).
Plus its a way of giving more money to the universities without getting right wingers in a tizzy (as the students 'earn it), improving the welfare of <insert local group in community> with some energetic workers, instilling volunteering values and making the middle class kids (as you'd have to be really rich before you/your parents turn down $4k) see the how the less well off have it and maybe amolerate their dickish tendancies later in life
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Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Effing double posts. v_v
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Book fees in American universities ARE awful. USE eBay.
alex994
Hail Divine Emperor!
While I tend to support the program of being paid to do community service, I'm a bit conflicted on what type of signal it sends to people my age. It's not volunteering if you get paid for it, it becomes a job. Why not tie the program into EFC instead of giving it out to everyone? 
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
While I tend to support the program of being paid to do community service, I'm a bit conflicted on what type of signal it sends to people my age. It's not volunteering if you get paid for it, it becomes a job. Why not tie the program into EFC instead of giving it out to everyone?
Completely off current topic, but did you just join N3S?
Seeing someone descending from emperor Ming reminds me of the style which you tend to use when NESing...
Ninja Dude
Sorry, I wasn't listening...
Yeah, he joined. He was behind the shroud for a while, but now we can see him.
alex994
Hail Divine Emperor!
What's the style I tend to use LJ?
das
Regeneration In Process
Chinese names out of nowhere.
Ninja Dude
Sorry, I wasn't listening...
I personally am in favor of all too many consonants and/or endings in "-os".
