While We Wait: Writer's Block & Other Lame Excuses

[North King]

...Honestly speaking, that's kind of sad.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Told you.

It might be slightly more effort to go to that channel, but once you're there, it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

I can't say that I remember you telling me something about this.

 

[Starlife]

Do it.

I just finished the first Legend of Korra season (in about 2 days). Also good. My only complaint is that they gave older Aang a chinstrap beard. Not sure how I feel about that -- Aang didn't really seem like the kind of kid to grow up sporting one of those. Also, the new General Iroh's (Zuko) voice was off-putting at first. I feel like it didn't adequately match his face. I had a few other minor issues, but nothing that significantly detracted from the series. Incredible visuals, especially in HD.

 

[Luckymoose]

The largest issue Korra faced was the compactness of the storyline.

 

[Starlife]

I agree, but what I'm thinking might not be exactly what you had in mind with that comment (or it might be exactly what you had in mind). The Last Airbender had a more expansive plotline, and a clear purpose from the first episode to the last (encompassing three seasons). It was within that overarching plot that the characters developed and became stronger and wiser. Characters do the same in Korra, but in a much shorter timespan -- and the Equalist plot begins and ends within 12 episodes.

It was a strange feeling that everything was wrapped up after the first season in Korra. You didn't get that feeling at all after Book 1 of The Last Airbender (and especially after Book 2, which is as close to The Empire Strikes Back as you can get). I suppose we'll have to wait a year before we see where they take Book 2 of Korra.

 

[merciary]

I think that's because Korra was intended as a sort of mini-series. The makers were sure if it was going to go on for more than one series so they had to wrap everything up quickly.

 

[Dachs]

I can't say that I remember you telling me something about this.

Not you, specifically, but it was a general comment on what would happen.

 

[Luckymoose]

I think that's because Korra was intended as a sort of mini-series. The makers were sure if it was going to go on for more than one series so they had to wrap everything up quickly.

True, but they were overly ambitious with things like the romance plots. I wouldn't have minded the way they turned out if they had more time to develop into something meaningful. I never felt the "love" between Mako and Korra. Asami and Mako actually had a working relationship though.

 

[Dachs]

Mako's not good enough for Asami. Only the Avatar is. :3

 

[Luckymoose]

Agreed. Korra-Asami would have been the best couple.

 

[Starlife]

Yeah. The love between Mako and Korra was kind of forced on us. I guess the first time they bonded was when they were looking for Bolin after he had been kidnapped. Not sure if that's enough to spark some kind of deep-rooted romantic interest.

 

[Luckymoose]

Yeah. The love between Mako and Korra was kind of forced on us. I guess the first time they bonded was when they were looking for Bolin after he had been kidnapped. Not sure if that's enough to spark some kind of deep-rooted romantic interest.

Love at first sight. Not even the sexy, wealthy and smart Asami could stop him from wanting Korra. Oh wait, he is turned on by power. Can't bend everything? Nope, ugly! Avatar powers activate? Did I tell you how much I loved you recently? :3

 

[Angst]

{Generally looking forward to the time NK needs to shrink the fontsize of his sig because of the numerous updates filling more than one line of text. :3}

 

[Luckymoose]

DD Monday July 23 8 PM EST

 

[qoou]

I've been acting generally obnoxiously lately. -ly.

 

[Terrance888]

Oh . I forgot about DD.

 

[Luckymoose]

Here lies tBot, may fc rest in peace.

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[Daftpanzer]

Dont want to bump the NESlife thread again, but yesterday evening I was out watching the new batman film with friends. Today has been another lovely sunny day and this evening I am going to chill with friends, one of whom is leaving tomorrow...

Apologies! Really want to get this going again ASAP.

 

[qoou]

Read side by side. But mostly read ChiefDesigner's, especially towards the end.
Edit: Apparently too long for one post.

Spoiler Kraz :

[13:23] <noob> Rofl
[13:23] <noob> ing defense bonuses
[13:23] <noob> I should've spent all my starting NP on 4 extra provinces
[13:23] <kraznaya> hey, the two provinces nearest to me
[13:24] <kraznaya> are pretty chillax to ivnade
[13:24] <kraznaya> but you notice i purposely took
[13:24] <kraznaya> the mountain and the hill
[13:24] <kraznaya>
[13:24] <noob> Yup
[13:24] <noob> Esp since NP urbanization was flat cost
[13:28] <kraznaya> is our deal still on
[13:29] <kraznaya> with the changed blueprint rules
[13:29] <noob> Can I get an extra $1 out of you ?
[13:29] <noob> Turn 3: 7 / Turn 4: 9?
[13:30] <noob> Alternately. Turn 3: 6 / Turn 4: 6 / Turn 5: 6 ?
[13:30] <kraznaya> you're playing the blueprint cost?
[13:30] <kraznaya> paying
[13:30] <noob> Yeah
[13:30] <noob> Ofc
[13:30] <noob> I'm the one that has to pay it
[13:31] <kraznaya> 7 9 is fine
[13:31] <noob> Alright.
[13:33] <kraznaya> so have you had contact with any of your neighbors
[13:34] <noob> Nope.
[13:34] <noob> Heard nothing from them, don't really need anything from them
[13:38] <kraznaya> wel
[13:38] <kraznaya> you can manipulate them to attack each other
[13:38] <noob> No need
[13:38] <noob> So long as I stay quiet, they'll do it anyway.
[13:38] <noob> I'd rather just be the big scary crazy guy genociding the mountain critters
[13:40] <noob> Alright Kraz
[13:40] <kraznaya> so you think
[13:40] <noob> Apologies, but I've gotten a better offer
[13:40] <kraznaya> shooting your mouth
[13:40] <noob> $10 in interest.
[13:40] <kraznaya> like thlayli is doing
[13:40] <noob> You'll see what I'm roleplaying once my diplo gets started.
[13:40] <kraznaya> willl get you killed
[13:40] <noob> I have ambitious plans.
[13:41] <kraznaya> noob, CD would default on you
[13:41] <kraznaya> that's been his modus operandi in all the NESes i've played with him
[13:41] <noob> Link?
[13:41] <noob> Meh, I'll take your word for it, np.
[13:41] <noob> You're a better customer anyway.
[13:42] <kraznaya> in perfnes
[13:42] <kraznaya> he took massive loans
[13:42] <kraznaya> and more loans on top of that to cover those loans
[13:42] <kraznaya> until it all ballooned and he defaulted
[13:42] <kraznaya> he's trying to run a pyramid
[13:42] <noob> Lol
[13:43] <noob> Rofl
[13:43] <noob> Mr. Ponzi.
[13:43] <noob> But yeah, our deal's still through.
[13:43] <kraznaya> what did you tell him?
[13:44] <noob> That he defaults on people.
[13:44] <noob> He claims he doesn't.
[13:44] <noob> He assures me he was just playing the system in PerfNES.
[13:44] <noob> Taking his offer.
[13:45] <kraznaya> you are?
[13:45] <noob> Well
[13:45] <noob> He promised he wouldn't default.
[13:45] <kraznaya> have you even checked his finances
[13:45] <kraznaya> to see how he could possibly pay it off with income
[13:45] <noob> Nope
[13:45] <kraznaya> the interest he's promising
[13:45] <kraznaya> if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is
[13:45] <kraznaya> you know he's going to dump all the money into officers/military
[13:46] <noob> Alright
[13:46] <noob> Telling him off then
[13:46] <noob> Our deal's back on.
[13:47] <noob> Nvm
[13:47] <noob> He says he's not.
[13:47] <noob> Our deal's back off.
[13:48] <kraznaya> whats the heal
[13:48] <kraznaya> 6, 6, for 11, 11?
[13:48] <noob> Nah.
[13:48] <noob> 6/7/7 for 8/10/12
[13:48] <kraznaya> you're giving him money for 3 straight turns?
[13:48] <noob> Yup
[13:48] <noob> He promised he'd pay it back
[13:49] <kraznaya> no blueprint?
[13:50] <noob> Nope
[13:50] <kraznaya> where are you getting
[13:50] <kraznaya> the 7 from
[13:50] <noob> Socialism
[13:50] <kraznaya> ah
[13:50] <kraznaya> if he defaults that's 3 turns down the drain for you
[13:50] <kraznaya> and he'll have a massive lead on everyone
[13:50] <noob> Ok then
[13:50] <noob> Our deal's back on
[13:52] <noob> K
[13:52] <noob> Our deal's back off
[13:52] <noob> He's explaining his thought process
[13:52] <kraznaya> *censored*
[13:52] <kraznaya> argh
[13:52] <noob> Meh.
[13:53] <noob> But yeah.
[13:53] <noob> ChiefDesigner said he'd explain his thought process
[13:53] <noob> So I'm back to him, sorry :/
[13:55] <kraznaya> so
[13:55] <kraznaya> what's his thought process?
[13:56] <noob> Don't know
[13:56] <noob> Didn't wait for him to explain it
[13:56] <noob> Probably something based on some misintepretation of the rules
[13:56] <kraznaya> ... so why are you giving him money again
[13:57] <noob> Ok actually
[13:57] <noob> He just explained it
[13:57] <noob> Mass art
[13:58] <kraznaya> art's great on defending but that doesn't expalin where he's going to get the territories
[13:58] <kraznaya> from attacking
[13:59] <kraznaya> where he'll be facing big maluses
[14:00] <noob> Ok
[14:00] <noob> Our deal's back on.
[14:01] <noob> He says that's wrong.
[14:01] <kraznaya> i hope you're sending crezth a pm
[14:01] <noob> Our deal's back off :/
[14:01] <kraznaya> everytime you say that
[14:02] <noob> Rofl
[14:02] <noob> Damn, I should've.
[14:02] <noob> I was going to actually, but decided to be nice.
[14:02] <kraznaya> alright so
[14:02] <kraznaya> i'm assuming he thinks he can invade szuro on turn 2
[14:02] <kraznaya> after holding on turn 1
[14:02] <kraznaya> even if he succeeds, he won't get income from it for 1 turn
[14:03] <kraznaya> which means the earliest he can get income is turn 4
[14:03] <noob> Ok
[14:03] <noob> Our deal's back on.
[14:04] <kraznaya> i mean
[14:04] <noob> He says turn 4 is when he owes his first payment.
[14:04] <noob> Our deal's back off :/.
[14:04] <kraznaya> he can technically pay it, but he has so much incentive to default when he will be the biggest military power in the game and keep $20
[14:04] <kraznaya> what can you do to punish him if he defaults?
[14:05] <kraznaya> nothing, because you've spent 3 turns giving him all your money
[14:05] <kraznaya> and he's on a different continent
[14:05] <kraznaya> and he'll likely have a massive military
[14:05] <noob> Ok
[14:05] <noob> Our deal's back on.
[14:05] <kraznaya> i would match his deal
[14:05] <kraznaya> but frankly i dont think it would be a good offer because its unrealistic
[14:05] <noob> He says that makes no sense.
[14:05] <kraznaya> for you i mean
[14:05] <noob> Our deal's back off.
[14:06] <kraznaya> how so?
[14:06] <noob> He says he'll play other NESes in the future
[14:06] <noob> Where he might need to borrow
[14:07] <kraznaya> he's already defaulted in one, apparently that isn't changing his ability to borrow in this
[14:07] <noob> Ok.
[14:07] <noob> Our deal's back on.
[14:07] <kraznaya> in perfnes, he negotiated three peaces with the mongols, guangzhou, and guangzhou again, and broke all of them
[14:07] <noob> He says it was all to the mod, never to a player.
[14:07] <noob> Our deal's back off.
[14:08] <kraznaya> wrong
[14:08] <kraznaya> [12:07] <kraznaya> in perfnes, he negotiated three peaces with the mongols, guangzhou, and guangzhou again, and broke all of them
[14:08] <kraznaya> these wer all with players
[14:08] <noob> Ok
[14:09] <noob> Our deal's back on
[14:10] <noob> Ok.
[14:10] <noob> He tells me you're a biased source since you see him as a threat.
[14:10] <noob> Our deal's back off.
[14:10] <kraznaya> obviously he's a biased source on his own reputation too
[14:10] <noob> Oh.
[14:10] <noob> That's right.
[14:10] <noob> Our deal's back on.
[14:13] <noob> He's going to cc me his orders.
[14:13] <noob> Our deal's back off.
[14:14] <kraznaya> that doesn't help, he can CC you your orders for the first 3 turns when he has nothing to hide
[14:14] <kraznaya> and then send you a dummy on turn 4 and laugh all the way tot he bank
[14:14] <noob> Oh
[14:14] <noob> That's right.
[14:14] <noob> Our deal's back on.
[14:15] <noob> He says he'll send it to both me and Crezth at the same time
[14:15] <noob> Our deal's back off.
[14:15] <kraznaya> that doesn't help either
[14:15] <kraznaya> he can just not do it on turn 4
[14:15] <kraznaya> and by then it's too late
[14:16] <noob> Ok.
[14:16] <noob> Our deal's back on.
[14:16] <noob> He says I should trust him.
[14:16] <noob> Our deal's back off.
[14:17] <kraznaya> i say you should trust me more
[14:17] <kraznaya> given i showed you my diplo to susumu
[14:17] <noob> Ok
[14:17] <noob> Our deal's back on
[14:21] <noob>
[14:21] <noob> He has insane powers of deduction.
[14:21] <noob> I've gotta make that deal with him, sorry.
[14:21] <kraznaya> hm?
[14:21] <kraznaya> how so
[14:21] <noob> He's like House on drugs
[14:22] <noob> Just grabs these conclusions out of the air and they're all right
[14:22] <kraznaya> give me an example
[14:22] <noob> He guessed who my source was o.O
[14:22] <noob> And also somehow knew that you play Civ4.
[14:22] <noob> Uncanny.
[14:22] <kraznaya> maybe because he knows he's negotiating against me?
[14:23] <kraznaya> and played civ4 with me?
[14:23] <noob> holy
[14:23] <noob> You're like Sherlock 2.0.
[14:23] <noob> K, our deal's back on.
[14:24] <kraznaya> also, house IS on drugs
[14:25] <noob> WTH.
[14:25] <noob> Really???
[14:25] <noob> Oh wow.
[14:25] <noob> That explains so much.
[14:25] <noob> Like that one time he was going through withdrawal
[14:25] <noob> Yeah, I never could figure that episode out.
[14:25] <kraznaya> yeah man,
[14:25] <noob> Rofl, thanks.
[14:25] <kraznaya> i know its like SUPER NOT OBVIOUS, but he's on vicodin
[14:26] <noob> Is that like cocaine or something?
[14:26] <noob> It's got the "co" in there/
[14:27] <kraznaya> nah, its a painkiller
[14:28] <noob> Why was he taking a painkiller??
[14:29] <kraznaya> his leg
[14:29] <kraznaya> CD's no longer talking with you?
[14:30] <noob> WTH. He had both legs, didn't he? Does he lose one of his legs later in the series?
[14:30] <noob> Yeah, CD is trying to explain something called "the iterated prisoner's dillema" to me.
[14:30] <noob> Some gay like that.
[14:30] <kraznaya> However, after he was put into a chemically induced coma to sleep through the worst of the pain, Warner, House's medical proxy, acted against his wishes and authorized a safer surgical middle-ground procedure between amputation and a bypass by removing just the dead muscle.[30] This resulted in the partial loss of use in his leg and left House with a lesser, but still serious, level of pain for the rest of his life.[30] House could not for
[14:30] <kraznaya> He also frequently takes Vicodin to relieve his pain.[31] House does however break his addiction with psychiatric help, after he suffers a psychotic break. When Warner makes her first appearance in season 1, she is married to a high school guidance counselor named Mark Warner.[32] Although she and House have a brief, intimate encounter during the second season, House eventually tells Stacy to go back to her husband, devastating her.
[14:30] <kraznaya> At the beginning of season three, House temporarily regains his ability to walk and run after receiving ketamine treatment.[33] However, the chronic pain in his leg comes back and House takes painkillers and uses his cane once again.[34] The other doctors speculate that his cane and opiate re-usage are due to his psychological tendencies.[34]
[14:30] <noob> What?? When did this happen??
[14:31] <noob> Is it that episode where the guy shoots him? I heard that was a good episode, but never saw it myself
[14:32] <noob> holy
[14:32] <noob> He just explained it all to me
[14:32] <noob> I didn't really understand it
[14:32] <noob> But it sounded damn smart.
[14:32] <noob> Our deal's back off, sorry.
[14:32] <kraznaya> yeah, he's trying to take advantage of you
[14:33] <kraznaya> like a con artist
[14:33] <noob> O
[14:33] <noob> Ok
[14:33] <noob> Our deal's back on then.
[14:34] <noob> Ok
[14:35] <noob> He's helping me with Algebra I
[14:35] <noob> I gotta pass this next test since I failed the last one
[14:35] <noob> So our deal's back off
[14:35] <kraznaya> dont worry
[14:35] <kraznaya> i can give you a cheat sheet
[14:35] <kraznaya> http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/pdf/Algebra_Cheat_Sheet.pdf
[14:35] <kraznaya> just sneak it in
[14:36] <noob> !!!
[14:36] <noob> But that's against the rules!
[14:36] <noob> What if I get caught??
[14:36] <kraznaya> put the formulas into your calculator?
[14:37] <noob> I have one of those sun-powered calculators :/
[14:37] <noob> Turns off when I try to use it inside.
[14:37] <kraznaya> do you have a phone
[14:37] <noob> Yeah
[14:37] <noob> Smartphone
[14:37] <kraznaya> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/free-graphing-calculator/id378009553?mt=8
[14:38] <noob> Damn good internet speed
[14:38] <noob> Not iPhone, sorry :/.
[14:38] <kraznaya> http://www.meta-calculator.com/online/
[14:39] <noob> Holy
[14:39] <noob> I gotta tell my friend Sam about this
[14:39] <noob> He's like some kind of genius
[14:39] <kraznaya> also
[14:39] <kraznaya> if he's helping you with math
[14:39] <noob> Only 11 and already taking Algebra
[14:39] <noob> 1 year younger than me :/
[14:39] <kraznaya> clearly he thinks he can take advantage of you with money
[14:39] <kraznaya> asians are the new jews, man
[14:40] <noob> That's racist D:
[14:40] <kraznaya> racist and true
[14:40] <noob> Mom says all racists are niggerly grumps.
[14:40] <kraznaya> grumps?
[14:41] <noob> grumpy *
[14:41] <noob> She says it both ways
[14:41] <noob> Depending on how drunk she is
[14:41] <noob> Rofl, you should've seen her the other night
[14:42] <noob> She couldn't even walk on her own
[14:42] <noob> Called my dad a for like 5 minutes straight
[14:42] <noob> ing hilarious man
[14:43] <kraznaya> alright seriously
[14:43] <kraznaya> orders are due at 8 PST/11 EST
[14:43] <kraznaya> have you sent anything to crezth yet
[14:43] <noob> Yeah, you're getting your .
[14:43] <noob> I sent him a PM saying you're getting you're like yesterday.
[14:43] <noob> your*
[14:43] <kraznaya> lol
[14:46] ->> Connection closed from coaxmetal.selfip.net

 

[qoou]

Spoiler CD :

Session Start: Thu Jul 26 13:27:16 2012
[13:27] <CD2> OK, so this 'not being able to trade RP' means that this deal we had needs to be revised
[13:27] ->> CD2 is Mibbit@ircip3.mibbit.com (http://www.mibbit.com)
[13:27] ->> CD2 is on: +#nes
[13:27] ->> CD2 using coaxmetal.selfip.net (Coaxmetal)
[13:27] ->> CD2 has been idle for 0 seconds (Logged on at 7/26/2012 9:13:32 AM)
[13:27] ->> CD2 :End of /WHOIS list.
[13:27] <noob> Yup
[13:27] <CD2> I'm willing to hand you blueprints for 10 years
[13:27] <CD2> Tell me what you need me to research
[13:27] <CD2> (hell, I'm willing to just hand you blueprints)
[13:28] <CD2> Alternatively, what else can I offer you?
[13:29] <noob> Well, 1: blueprints I need are low-efficiency and blueprints apparently now cost money to use. 2: I already lent away all my income for a while elsewhere :/
[13:30] <noob> Sorry
[13:30] <CD2> damn
[13:30] <CD2> ok
[13:30] <noob> I'm getting good interest
[13:30] <CD2> How good?
[13:30] <noob> 50% of my investment, it looks like
[13:30] <noob> In several turns, sure, but I don't need money for several turns
[13:30] <CD2> OK. I'm willing to pay more than that over several turns
[13:31] <noob> Hm.
[13:31] <noob> Shoot
[13:31] <noob> I give you $6 the first turn.
[13:31] <noob> $7 the next.
[13:31] <noob> $7 the next?
[13:31] <noob> Make me an offer based on that
[13:32] <CD2> 9 over 3 years.
[13:32] <noob> So?..
[13:32] <noob> $9 each year you mean?
[13:33] <noob> Meh.
[13:33] <noob> My other deal right now
[13:33] <noob> Has be lending $12 and getting back $18
[13:33] <noob> Has me*
[13:33] <CD2> *nod*
[13:33] <CD2> ok, so that's a 33% rate of return
[13:33] <noob> I'm getting 50% currently.
[13:33] <noob> But sec, let me type this up.
[13:33] <CD2> oh, derp, right
[13:34] <noob> Alright, how about this. No tech needed. Turn 1: $6 to you. Turn 2: $7 to you. Turn 3: $7 to you. Turn 4: $8 to me. Turn 5: $10 to me. Turn 6: $12 to me.
[13:34] <noob> Sound good?
[13:39] <CD2> Sounds excellent!
[13:39] <noob> Great.
[13:40] <noob> PM sent to Crezth.
[13:40] <CD2> Will confirm in my orders.
[13:40] <CD2> Thanks!
[13:41] <noob> np np
[13:41] <noob> Anytime \
[13:41] <noob> Oh.
[13:41] <noob> Nevermind.
[13:41] <noob> Apparently you default on people.
[13:42] <noob> Ok, yeah; I have evidence of prior defaults from you now.
[13:42] <noob> Sorry D:. I'll stick with the safe bet.
[13:43] <CD2> Hey no
[13:43] <CD2> I do *not*
[13:43] <CD2> default on people
[13:43] <noob> Huh.
[13:44] <CD2> PerfNES was me gaming the system
[13:44] <noob> Ok then.
[13:44] <noob> Loan going through.
[13:44] <CD2> I have *never* missed a loan payment
[13:44] <CD2> Thanks!
[13:46] <noob> Ok
[13:46] <noob> Apparently you'll be running some kind of Ponzi scheme
[13:46] <noob> Deal's back off
[13:47] <noob> :/
[13:47] <CD2> what
[13:47] <CD2> no
[13:47] <CD2> who are you talking to
[13:47] <noob> Oh.
[13:47] <noob> Ok then.
[13:47] <noob> Deal's back on.
[13:47] <CD2> I'm happy to explain to you my logic.
[13:47] <CD2>
[13:47] <CD2> Ah, I see, you're talking to Kraz
[13:47] <CD2> If you have questions, I'm happy to explain my thought process
[13:48] <noob> np np
[13:48] <noob> That "no" should suffice for now
[13:49] <CD2> Thanks
[13:50] <noob> Ok
[13:51] <noob> I'm told that if you default I lose 3 turns of income
[13:51] <noob> Deal's back off
[13:51] <noob> Unless you want to explain your thought process
[13:51] <CD2> OK.
[13:51] <CD2> So, here's my situation.
[13:51] <CD2> (explaining now)
[13:51] <noob> Ok
[13:51] <noob> Deal's back on.
[13:51] <noob> Nice doing business with you.
[13:52] <CD2> Thanks!
[13:54] <CD2> I'm in an exceptionally strong position, *if* I can hold off Matt for 1 turn. Szuro and New Qijad are worth $10, and both border my cores
[13:54] <noob> They're also both +2 from terrain, with another +1 from fortification
[13:55] <CD2> Doesn't matter.
[13:55] <CD2> Artillery is the great equalizer.
[13:55] <noob> Nope.
[13:55] <CD2> +3 Eva is not that much
[13:55] <CD2> when you take breakthrough, plus the officer bonus
[13:55] <CD2> and with enough meat shields to soak enemy attacks
[13:55] <noob> Even with breakthrough, art hits at a 10/36 chance on primary targets
[13:55] <noob> And 6/36 on secondary
[13:56] <CD2> Throw an armored car in there
[13:56] <CD2> infantry don't have enough pierce to break it
[13:56] <noob> That actually sounds plausible, 10/36.
[13:57] <CD2> a 30% chance
[13:57] <CD2> but 1 artillery is going to be rolling 9 times on secondary attacks
[13:57] <CD2> Throw a second gun in
[13:57] <noob> Your AC do have ~1/9-1/8 chance of dying
[13:57] <noob> Er.
[13:57] <noob> Why would it be rolling 9 times.
[13:58] <noob> It only has 3 attack.
[13:58] <CD2> 3 heats
[13:58] <noob> That's only 3 splashes
[13:58] <noob> Oh.
[13:58] <noob> Meh
[13:58] <CD2> Yeah.
[13:58] <noob> On average, 9 rolls of that is still only 1.5 inf
[13:58] <CD2> Add your AC pair to that, though
[13:58] <noob> But yeah.
[13:59] <noob> ACs
[13:59] <noob> Are going to hit at -2 modifier
[13:59] <noob> Which is... 6/36?
[13:59] <noob> What, wait.
[13:59] <noob> Yeah.
[13:59] <noob> That's right.
[13:59] <noob> Hm.
[13:59] <noob> Actually.
[13:59] <noob> I'm told Art is bad at attacking against large maluses.
[13:59] <noob> So deal's back off :/.
[14:00] <CD2> Wait, how so?
[14:00] <noob> Dunno
[14:00] <CD2> I don't see it
[14:00] <noob> They seemed pretty sure of themselves though
[14:00] <CD2> Yeah, I'm not convinced
[14:00] <noob> Of?
[14:01] <CD2> Arty being inefficient against large maluses, when paired with something that can tank hits
[14:01] <noob> Ok
[14:01] <noob> Our deal's back on
[14:01] <CD2> I totally understand your hesitation
[14:02] <CD2> Knowing Matt's plan would make this a lot easier, honestly
[14:02] <CD2> If he rushes me, then I roll over everything next turn
[14:03] <noob> Ok
[14:03] <CD2> If not, my casualties are a bit higher
[14:03] <noob> I'm told that if you plan on invading Szuro on Turn 2
[14:03] <noob> Even after you take it you won't get income for one turn
[14:03] <noob> Which means earliest you'll get income is Turn 4.
[14:03] <noob> Deal's back off.
[14:03] <CD2> ...but turn 4 is when I owe you my first payment
[14:04] <noob> Oh.
[14:04] <noob> Deal's back on.
[14:04] <noob> Ok
[14:05] <noob> I'm told that if you succeed, you'll be the biggest power, and have incentive to default since I won't be able to punish you.
[14:05] <noob> Deal's back off.
[14:05] <CD2> Wait, waht
[14:05] <CD2> that doesn't make any sense
[14:05] <noob> Oh?
[14:05] <noob> It doesn't?
[14:05] <noob> Nvm then.
[14:05] <noob> Our deal's back on.
[14:05] <CD2> I want to be able to borrow in the future
[14:05] <CD2> Like, this is not the only NES I will ever play
[14:06] <CD2> and I *do* want to be able to borrow and lend in the future
[14:06] <CD2> Iterated prisoner's dilemma with a theory of mind
[14:07] <noob> I'm reminded that you've already defaulted once before.
[14:07] <noob> Deal's back off.
[14:07] <CD2> In PerfNES
[14:07] <CD2> To the GM
[14:07] <CD2> Never to a player
[14:07] <CD2> Sounds like someone's a little terrified of us working together
[14:07] <noob> Ok.
[14:08] <noob> Our deal's back on.
[14:08] <CD2> As a gesture of good faith
[14:08] <CD2> i'm willing to let you set my research priorities
[14:08] <CD2> and hand you blueprints for free
[14:08] <noob> I'm told you're wrong
[14:08] <noob> You broke deals with the Mongols and a couple of other long-named players.
[14:08] <noob> Deal's back off.
[14:09] <CD2> Ok, so you *are* talking to Kraz
[14:09] <noob> My sources are fully confidential.
[14:09] <noob> Middleman's oath and all.
[14:09] <CD2> Right
[14:09] <CD2> First, let me say that the person you're talking to clearly sees me as a threat
[14:09] <CD2> And is not making good-faith arguments
[14:10] <noob> Ok.
[14:10] <noob> Our deal's back on.
[14:10] <CD2> Second, in PerfNES
[14:10] <noob> Hm.
[14:10] <CD2> I was told that the Mongols weren't likely to keep their deals; and Birdjaguar had no intention of playing faithfully
[14:10] <noob> I'm told that you're also a biased source-of-argument.
[14:10] <noob> Deal's back off.
[14:11] <CD2> So, Kraz
[14:11] <CD2> just PMed me
[14:11] <CD2> so it's OK to say that it's him
[14:11] <CD2> Here.
[14:11] <noob> My sources are fully confidential.
[14:11] <noob> Unless you're willing to pay for the information of course.
[14:11] <CD2>
[14:12] <CD2> You're obviously worried that I'm going to renege.
[14:12] <noob> I am?
[14:12] <noob> Ok.
[14:12] <CD2> It sounds like it
[14:12] <noob> Go on.
[14:12] <CD2> Clearly, I need to do something to demonstrate my good faith
[14:13] <noob> Ok,
[14:13] <CD2> Both in-game and out-of-game
[14:13] <CD2> In-game, I'm happy to sign a formal alliance, but I don't think that alleviates your fears
[14:13] <CD2> Would it make you feel better if I cc'd you on my orders?
[14:13] <noob> Ok.
[14:13] <noob> Deal's back on.
[14:14] <CD2> furthermore, it sounds like your source is concerned that if we successfully work together, it threatens his position
[14:14] <CD2> I think this is a good thing--for us
[14:14] <noob> Apparently you can send me fake orders on the 4th turn.
[14:14] <noob> Our deal's back off.
[14:14] <CD2> By cc
[14:14] <CD2> I mean "PM both you and Crezth"
[14:15] <CD2> Your source is *definitely* concerned
[14:15] <noob> Ok
[14:15] <noob> Our deal's back on
[14:15] <CD2> Yes. he could say "But what happens if I change my orders behind your back"
[14:15] <noob> Supposedly you could just back out on turn 4.
[14:15] <noob> And at that point it'll be too late.
[14:15] <CD2> I am *way* too lazy to do that
[14:15] <noob> Deal's back off.
[14:16] <CD2> I *could* do a lot of things
[14:16] <CD2> But like I say, it comes down to trust
[14:16] <CD2> I am opening my orders to you, to demonstrate that trust and good faith
[14:16] <noob> Ok.
[14:16] <noob> Our deal's back on.
[14:17] <CD2> I'm happy to publicly post my turn 4 orders
[14:17] <noob> He says I should trust him more.
[14:17] <noob> Our deal's back off.
[14:17] <CD2> Of course he would say that
[14:17] <CD2> Have you played civ with... your source?
[14:17] <noob> Nope
[14:17] <noob> Have you?
[14:17] <CD2> OK.
[14:17] <CD2> I have.
[14:17] <noob> Which civ did you play as?
[14:17] <noob> Did you start near ivory?
[14:18] <noob> Ivory was pretty OP early game in C3C
[14:18] <CD2> Civ 4, I was... Arabia, playing Saladin
[14:18] <noob> Ah.
[14:18] <CD2> Your source, if he is who I suspect he is, was playing England-Victoria
[14:18] <noob> Saladin was a cool guy.
[14:19] <noob> How do you know who my source is o.O??!??
[14:19] <CD2> Saladin was cool! A little weak in the early game
[14:19] <noob> Did I accidentally tell you?
[14:19] <CD2> No.
[14:19] <CD2> Two reasons
[14:19] <CD2> 1) it's obviously someone on #nes who played in PerfNES and followed China
[14:19] <CD2> otherwise they wouldn't have the details of my arrangements with the Mongols
[14:20] <CD2> which means either Azale, Kraz, or Birdjaguar
[14:20] <CD2> Outside chance, Dachs or Thlayli
[14:20] <noob> ing hell.
[14:20] <CD2> 2.) Kraz actually sent me a PMCW
[14:20] <noob> You're like a goddamn modern Sherlock Holmes!
[14:20] <noob> o.O
[14:20] <CD2> saying "rofl this is hilarious"
[14:21] <CD2> Eh, I just notice details. Having a text log helps
[14:21] <noob> Damn.
[14:21] <noob> You're smart.
[14:21] <noob> Ok
[14:21] <noob> Our deal's back on.
[14:21] <CD2> And anyway, azale's not logged in, and bird is never on IRC
[14:21] <CD2> I've had some practice.
[14:21] <CD2> Anyway, ask Iggy or any of the other civ4 players about Kraz and his playstyle
[14:22] <CD2> Kraz is determined, and he plays to win
[14:22] <CD2> He also logged on once pretending to be me =P
[14:22] <noob> o.O
[14:23] <noob> Devious.
[14:23] <CD2> Yeah.
[14:23] <noob> Oh wow
[14:23] <noob> He just outdid you
[14:23] <CD2> Are you familiar with the iterated prisoner's dilemma?
[14:23] <noob> In deduction
[14:23] <noob> Our deal's back off
[14:23] <CD2> Oh?
[14:23] <noob> No, do tell?
[14:23] <CD2> What's his claim?
[14:23] <CD2> Ah, OK
[14:23] <noob> It-er-ated?
[14:23] <noob> It-era-ted?
[14:24] <noob> Is that like
[14:24] <noob> Archeology?
[14:24] <CD2> it-er-ated
[14:24] <CD2> comp sci, actually
[14:24] <noob> Huh.
[14:24] <CD2> (How old are you?)
[14:24] <noob> 12, sorry.
[14:24] <CD2> No worries
[14:24] <CD2> I see why you're nervous
[14:24] <noob> I've taken Comp Sci, though, don't worry.
[14:24] <CD2> I joined 'poly when I was about your age, many years ago
[14:24] <CD2> OK.
[14:24] <CD2> So iteration is a for loop
[14:24] <noob> Learned all about that groove on the f key
[14:24] <noob> Loop?
[14:25] <noob> For?
[14:25] <CD2> What language did you code in?
[14:25] <CD2> Anyway, the Prisoner's Dilemma is a very simple game, with two players
[14:25] <CD2> There are two prisoners in jail
[14:25] <noob> Code?
[14:25] <noob> English
[14:25] <noob> Of course
[14:26] <CD2> right
[14:26] <noob> What are they in jail for?
[14:26] <CD2> The prisoners can either choose to cooperate with each other and say nothing, or to snitch on the other prisoner
[14:26] <CD2> Doesn't matter for the game
[14:26] <CD2> All that matters is that they have a choice--stay silent, or snitch
[14:27] <noob> Snitches stink.
[14:27] <CD2> Call them Prisoner A and Prisoner B.
[14:27] <CD2> If both Prisoner A and Prisoner B stay silent, they both serve 1 month in prison
[14:27] <noob> I got snitched out to my teacher once, for not doing my homework. The guy that did it is a douche.
[14:27] <CD2> If either A or B snitch, they go free and the other prisoner gets 3 months in prison
[14:27] <noob> Damn, 3 months is a good deal
[14:28] <CD2> Oh, sorry. the other prisoner gets 1 *year* in prison
[14:28] <noob> What did they do, shoplift?
[14:28] <noob> Oh.
[14:28] <noob> Well that's certainly worse/.
[14:28] <CD2> (Yeah, people who do that are douchebags)
[14:28] <CD2> but, if they *both* snitch, they both get 6 months
[14:28] <noob> Well that's pretty obvious.
[14:28] <noob> They both stay silent.
[14:28] <noob> I don't see the dillema
[14:29] <CD2> because if you stay silent and the other person defects, you're screwed
[14:29] <noob> But I mean, you both agree not to beforehand.
[14:29] <noob> That way you both get out quickly.
[14:29] <noob> 1 month isn't even that much.
[14:29] <CD2> I think you start to see the implications to what we were just talking about
[14:29] <noob> Except if it's during summer break; that would suck.
[14:29] <CD2> Hahahahaha
[14:29] <CD2> We're in the same position
[14:29] <CD2> If we cooperate with this deal, we both win
[14:30] <CD2> Now, when I was talking about the 'iterated prisoner's dilemma'
[14:30] <CD2> I'm talking about the same game, happening many times
[14:30] <CD2> The optimal strategy there is to cooperate, until one person defects, then you punish him
[14:31] <noob> Yeah
[14:31] <noob> Snitches stink
[14:31] <CD2> Right, *exactly*
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[14:31] <CD2> So, apply the same logic here.
[14:31] <CD2> Your source is trying to get you to defect
[14:31] <CD2> Which begs the question
[14:31] <CD2> What's in it for him?
[14:31] <noob> Oh .
[14:31] <noob> You're right.
[14:31] <noob> Ok.
[14:31] <noob> Our deal's back on.
[14:32] <CD2> Thanks.
[14:32] <CD2> Oh, also
[14:32] <CD2> I tutored algebra in the past, many years ago
[14:32] <noob> Oh! Could you help me with that?
[14:32] <CD2> Absolutely.
[14:32] <noob> I failed my last test. My friend laughed at me :/.
[14:32] <noob> Er.
[14:33] <noob> Ok.
[14:33] <CD2>
[14:33] <CD2> ers.
[14:33] <noob> My source tells me that you're trying to take advantage of me.
[14:33] <noob> D:
[14:33] <CD2> what was it on?
[14:33] <noob> Deal's back off
[14:33] <CD2> See above.
[14:33] <noob> Algebra, of course.
[14:33] <CD2> "What's in it for him"
[14:33] <CD2> Right. which part of algebra?
[14:33] <noob> He says you're a con artist.
[14:33] <noob> What do you mean which part?
[14:33] <noob> The part with the x
[14:33] <CD2> Graphing? Equation solving?
[14:34] <CD2> Word problems?
[14:34] <CD2> Polynomial functions?
[14:34] <noob> Polynomial functions??
[14:34] <noob> We have to do those in algebra??
[14:34] <noob> .
[14:34] <noob> Sounds scary.
[14:34] <CD2> You will have to learn about them eventally
[14:34] <noob> What are they?
[14:34] <CD2> Eh, just a fancy word
[14:34] <noob> Oh, ok ]
[14:34] <CD2> Things that are like
[14:35] <CD2> y = x^2 -9x + 9
[14:35] <CD2> Algebra's important because it's your first exposure to abstract reasoning
[14:35] <noob> y?
[14:35] <CD2> x and y are just variables
[14:35] <noob> I thought we just had to deal with x??
[14:35] <noob> Oh, and thanks for the help . Our deal's back on.
[14:35] <CD2> we use them because of convention
[14:35] <CD2> (no problem)
[14:35] <CD2> So.
[14:35] <noob> So you could say x = x^2 - 9x + 9 instead?
[14:36] <CD2> well, not quite, because you can't define an equation in terms of itself
[14:36] <CD2> So, let's start from the very beginning
[14:36] <CD2> and get you a foundation for why we're doing all of this.
[14:36] <CD2> So, you've had math, right?
[14:36] <CD2> Like, arithmetic and stuff
[14:36] <CD2> You can do long division, you know your times tables, etc, etc
[14:36] <noob> Arithmetic?
[14:36] <noob> Oh yeah.
[14:36] <noob> Yeah.
[14:36] <noob> I know those.
[14:37] <CD2> Right.
[14:37] <CD2> All of these have very practical, everyday uses.
[14:37] <CD2> you go to the store.
[14:37] <noob> You buy apples, yeah !
[14:37] <CD2> you're trying to figure out what's more expensive, the 2-liter of Coke or the cans.
[14:37] <CD2> So, algebra is one step above arithmetic
[14:38] <CD2> in that you're trying to generalize a little more, make statements that are true of more things
[14:38] <noob> How do you mean?
[14:38] <CD2> Let's start simple.
[14:38] <CD2> I have 20 dollars. Apples cost $2 per apple.
[14:39] <CD2> How many apples can I buy?
[14:39] <noob> 10!
[14:39] <CD2> Right.
[14:39] <CD2> You can express this problem slightly differently
[14:39] <CD2> by saying that the number of apples you can buy
[14:40] <CD2> equals the money you have, divided by the cost of each apple
[14:40] <CD2> But that's a lot of words to write
[14:40] <CD2> so let's just abbreviate 'the number of apples you can buy' as the letter 'a'
[14:41] <CD2> so, a = 20 / 2
[14:41] <CD2> Makes sense so far?
[14:41] <noob> Can't you just write the numbers of apples you can buy as 10??
[14:41] <noob> Why do you need to give it a nickname
[14:41] <CD2> In this problem, you could do that, sure.
[14:42] <CD2> But let's say that I'm in the car, and I've left my phone at home
[14:42] <CD2> so I don't know how much each apple costs
[14:42] <noob> Yeah lol, that always sucks
[14:42] <CD2> so i can't fill in the bottom
[14:42] <CD2> so, I don't know what a is
[14:42] <CD2> So I can't say that it's 10
[14:43] <noob> You figure it out when you get to the store!
[14:43] <noob> (did I get the riddle right ?)
[14:43] <CD2> but I can say how many apples I can buy, in relation to the price of apples
[14:43] <CD2> Let's call the price of apples 'p'
[14:43] <CD2> so, from above
[14:43] <CD2> a = 20 / p
[14:43] <CD2> Now, "Why is this useful", you ask
[14:43] <noob> This is getting complicated
[14:44] <noob> Where did you get the 20 from?
[14:44] <CD2> I have 20 dollars
[14:44] <CD2> (still have 20 dollars)
[14:44] <noob> Oh!
[14:44] <noob> That's right!
[14:44] <CD2> Yeah.
[14:44] <noob> I thought you bought apples with them, lol
[14:44] <CD2> Hah! Not yet, I haven't been to the store
[14:44] <noob> Ah!
[14:44] <noob> Ok
[14:44] <noob> I'm getting it now!
[14:45] <noob> Oh
[14:45] <CD2> This is useful because, say, you're having an apple-bobbing party
[14:45] <noob> I'm sorry man
[14:45] <noob> My mom's coming home
[14:45] <CD2> No worries
[14:46] <noob> Probably got kicked out of work again for being drunk XD
[14:46] <noob> Will you be on tonight?
[14:46] <CD2> I should be.
[14:46] <noob> I'd really like some more help with this
[14:46] <noob> Ok, thanks!
[14:46] <CD2> Sounds like a plan
[14:46] <noob> Good luck!
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