While We Wait: Writer's Block & Other Lame Excuses

[North King]

Indeed.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Alright, well, Sym has done what I would not have had the guts to do. Now, I think it's an appropriate time to express (very briefly) my thoughts on the matter.

I don't like that our community is divided into two arbitrary camps.

I think our community would be better off if we shared a chat room again.

I think #nes is best used as a less-moderated hangout for the people who take part in NESes, in all of their forms.

#nes should be a place for NESers to discuss NESes, but it can also serve as a place for us to discuss non-NES interests.

I think that the ops in this chat room should be people who run NESes, and that the halfops should be responsible members of the community who do not run NESes.

 

[Terrance888]

Personally, I am in both chats.

I found #neverending more attractive for very many reasons. But in the end, I participated in both.

IMHO I support most of Iggy's stuff, although a smaller chat just for multi-person pure NESing chat would be great, because I don't really like to chat about myself (or read about others :3) unless I am delirious, mad, high or otherwise not myself. Chatting about RL I am more OK with, although would also be out in a "pure NES neschat" unless talking about historical examples directly relation to a NES. (just my opinion.)

As for the last thing, that makes me an OP. SHAZAM.

 

[Terrance888]

Quick question: are .pdn files Paint.net only, or gain programs like Gimp/anything use it as well?

 

[TheLizardKing]

I try to avoid going on chat like the plague. I always found it strange that I saw talking about NES's on the NESing chat to be almost discouraged, or at least met with apathy.

 

[Terrance888]

I know! But TBH that is #nes. #neverending is much more open to NES discussion, or so I have experienced.

Mind, I lurk 5+ hours on both per day.

 

[Crezth]

#neverending is also run by self-righteous psychopaths. 'Course, so was #nes, but as long as we're being honest.

 

[Terrance888]

Anyone here who ISN'T a self-righteous psychopath? Please raise your hands?

*cricket*

I am noticing a disturbing lack of raised hands, here.

 

[talonschild]

We must all be amputees. Right. That's it. Amputees.

 

[SamSniped]

Anyone here who ISN'T a self-righteous psychopath? Please raise your hands?

*cricket*

I am noticing a disturbing lack of raised hands, here.

I can be either self-righteous or psychopathic, though not at the same time. Also, raising both hands is a sign of surrender, and I am not French, so...
*raises one hand*

 

[Optical]

Just self-righteous here, at least most of the time.

 

[qoou]

I'd just like to note that I was being completely serious every time I suggested Luckymoose be given founder status on the chatrooms, and continue to be as such. Out of all the nesers I've observed / interacted with enough to be able to judge, none really come close to Luckymoose on this matter. BirdJaguaris least far away, but he is busy and does not IRC with us anyway.

Back to unserious matters, #noob remains a welcome refuge for those not wanting to deal with the #nes / #neverending conflict.

 

[Crezth]

Where would we be without qoou the doorknob to keep me grounded?

 

[Lord_Iggy]

I try to avoid going on chat like the plague. I always found it strange that I saw talking about NES's on the NESing chat to be almost discouraged, or at least met with apathy.

That's the sort of zeitgeist that I'd like to avoid in a renewed #nes.

#neverending is also run by self-righteous psychopaths. 'Course, so was #nes, but as long as we're being honest.

How do you propose resolving this?

 

[Terrance888]

If anyone is wondering what I was doing instead of updating. I was murdering history with Gamez in #nes. NK and Iggy are witnesses.

MANCHURIA=FRANCE, KOREA=NORMANDY, QING KOREA FTW.

 

[Crezth]

How do you propose resolving this?

I don't see it as a problem that can be resolved, insofar as "resolved" presumably includes maintaining the structural integrity of the skulls of those involved. You - and others - have mentioned that the former patrons of #nes oversaw a poisonous atmosphere on that channel - where talk of NESes such as Capto Iugulum was, if not outright banned, discouraged through conditioning. I agree that this is the case but that the prevailing dominance of that conversational framework was not something forced upon those who hapless denizens of #nes by an outside force, but rather was the product of its constituent parts - those people et al would still have mocked discussion of Capto whether they had power or not, and if they were ever banned for doing so, then we'd have the exact same problem in reverse. Point being that it was no more a contrivance of Dachs/Kraznaya's invention than it was a society that suited its members via the implicit means of its construction. You said that #neverending sought to address the matter of that venom - and I insist that is fundamentally impossible so long as the society includes Luckymoose, fc, Kraznaya, SymphonyD, NK, or any combination thereof (examples plucked out of a veritable ocean of people who hate each others' guts).

To wit, I don't even see this spasm on the part of SymphonyD as anything other than a demonstration that he should not have hop responsibilities, period paragraph. I don't see it as the first stepping stone in the development of a "unified" community because the disunity will always be implicit. It may be hard to accept, but there it is. #neverending was always the only valid solution to the people who chose it, and that's their own lookout. But that fundamental incompatibility isn't something you can resolve. At least not without frontal lobotomy.

 

[Terrance888]

I modesty propose that frontal lobotomy will be applied to all NESers in the name of community unity.

 

[Symphony D.]

To wit, I don't even see this spasm on the part of SymphonyD as anything other than a demonstration that he should not have hop responsibilities, period paragraph.

Dachs shouldn't have founder, he's never there. Kraznaya shouldn't have founder, he's never paying attention. Thlayli shouldn't have ops, he's never there. Iggy shouldn't have ops, he's never there or paying attention. You shouldn't have hops, you're never paying attention. fc shouldn't have hops, he's never paying attention. And sure, if you want, I shouldn't have hops, because I did this. None of you should have any measure of power since you don't know how to immediately undo what I did and it's really simple to do, and/or weren't paying attention enough to immediately undo it. You've failed the test of responsible leadership on the metric of capability. You were undone by literally one line of input from a hop. That's pathetic.

Furthermore, this is a test. #nes experiences something on the order of 1500 lines of text of activity on a good day. A more accurate value is probably 200. Most of that is generated by me. The room has been functionally dead for over a month due to a lack of participation and a serious case of idling. So what exactly has been lost? The truth of the matter is nothing. This situation is imminently reversible. You simply either don't know how, or don't care to find out how to reverse it. That itself is proof enough that it was a false circumstance unworthy of continuation. You have just argued that the circumstance can never be resolved unless certain actors are removed. Well, all but one of them has.

The question is, what are you going to do now? The answer is apparently impotently lecture people, and get angry at me for trolling you out of your complacency.

e: In fact, I would do it right now, but apparently I've been (predictably) stripped of hops, and whoever's sitting in there hasn't been bothered to undo it in almost 24 hours. So I feel my point's pretty well made. Besides, what is hop duty anyway? A responsibility to voice people in a room in which +m is never enabled. What a joke. My "spasm," Crezth? My spasm is to demonstrate how this community bloc stuff is completely stupid. You're doing an excellent job helping me. I appreciate it. The answer is something like "/mode #nes -ispm". You'd know if you could be bothered to Google in pursuit of your two state solution.

Let me ask you a different question: why do you care so freaking much, yet only do so after an apparent (illusory) catastrophe?

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Well, I will admit that I don't know how to use many of the chat room's commands. I have never had need to use them, although this demonstrates that such ignorance isn't really sustainable.

 

[Symphony D.]

New post for the sake of clarity.

I don't like Iggy's hope that we should all be friends. I don't want to be friends with everyone. It's not something rational adults do. People hang out with people they broadly agree with or find interesting. For example, I don't like Luckymoose, and he doesn't like me. I shouldn't be forced to engage with him if I don't want to. But the simple answer is I don't have to. It's a chatroom. There's an /ignore command. There is frankly no reason that everyone could not be in a room, personalities be damned.

And the evidence handily demonstrates there's not enough activity for two. Like it or not, Luckymoose was a large bulk of #nes activity. Do you really think it's a miraculous coincidence that after two years of activity, #nes just mysteriously inexorably declined following the schism? Really?

The major reason for the existence of the #nes and #neverending dichotomy was either a lack of interest, or a virulent tribal us vs. them. Well, that was tried for three months. It produced nothing but a dead channel and endless occasional cliquish snarking, until the two people politically most behind not caring about solving it decided they also didn't care enough to be present. All the people who didn't care to solve it decided they didn't care enough to be truly present. So by what right should your opinions continue to be enforced?

Admittedly, I had no right to force things to be otherwise. I acknowledge that. I was aware of it. I didn't care. Your collective bickering is stupid, pointless, childish, immature, and ultimately destructive. I forced you to look at it and do something about it. I accept whatever consequences stem from that.

Now make some progress. Or don't. I don't care.