While We Wait: Writer's Block & Other Lame Excuses

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I'd like to begin my retort to the Symphony D. school of Cover Up My Bitter Failures as a Human by Attacking the Person's Religious Beliefs Rather Than the Point by quoting a recent editorial in the Ahram Daily, considered to be the unofficial spokesman for the Egyptian government.

"Thank God for Benjamin Netenyahu."

So much for sacrificing strategic flexibility by supporting Israel.
 
I bet if we had backed the Arabs and let the Soviets back the Israelis then 9/11 would've happened to the Kremlin or that funky tower with the spheres in Shanghai. Any takers?

Anyway, m.t.cicero already deconstructed your horrible little racist argument that Palestinians are just more violent than Israelis, but to address your point, America-Hater, the difference between your trolling and everyone else's is that even after someone has engaged with you for a long time your trolling sounds exactly like something you actually earnestly believe, because half the time it is something you actually earnestly believe. Don't take my word for it, ask around. (P.S. thanks for de facto just confirming that you view America as a crusader nation and that it's God's mission for us to civilize those brown people, I had thought that was trolling and that it wasn't really helps your point.)
 
What I said at the time was that the American military, like the American government, was a secular entity guided by Christian principles. Which is, of course, reflected in our government's deistic orientation in most of its official literature. This still has no bearing on the point, of course.

Now that I recall the discussion, though, the only actual member of the American military present at the time, bestshot, said that I had a point, and later pcmw'ed me to ask me about your preternaturally high level of hatred. I replied that I truly did not understand it.

I mean, if you wanna talk about asking around, it's not like anyone really likes you after years of being insulted by you, even if they respect your intellect. Maybe you should try being a little more respectful?
 
omg plz do not diminish national atrocity of 9/11 by comparing with oversized bottle-rocket hand-grenades that mostly broke roof tiles and made potholes and killed people purely through dumb bad luck kthnx god bless

remembrs teh alamo k

good luck explaining that to general public who are still debating whether vaccines cause autisms and are just generally afraid of anything loud and black/brown
 
ChiefDesigner, you're either ignorant or just blatantly propagandizing for the oppression of an entire people. Which please, and why?

So tell me, what would you do if you were an Israeli policy maker?

I understand if it's difficult for you to take on the role of a nation's leadership in some kind of "simulated experience", perhaps conducted on an Internet forum, and perhaps involving the adjudication of such by strangers on the Internet. Nevertheless, I would encourage you to try.


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Sometimes the people aren't worth representing.

Then there really isn't any point in discussing this any more, is there?

I believe there is merit in the Zionist project -- that despite its flaws, there is something good and valuable to be preserved there.

Obviously, you don't.
 
What I said at the time was that the American military, like the American government, was a secular entity guided by Christian principles. Which is, of course, reflected in our government's deistic orientation in most of its official literature. This still has no bearing on the point, of course.
No, I'm pretty sure you advocated for American soldiers dying in the interests of serving directly Christian interests and were A-OK with the creeping Christian conservative idea that American soldiers should be crusaders with say, psalms inscribed on their rifle scopes, which makes you both 1. awful, 2. a traitor to the founding principles of the nation, and 3. deserving of the title America-Hater.

As somebody who at a point in the past did, in fact, seriously take the oath to defend the nation, the fact that you view military personnel, and thus by proxy past-me, as cannon-fodder to promote your beliefs, I take umbrage to your opinion and frankly I've hated you ever since. I decided you were trolling me in the recent past, but since you've acknowledged you were serious, I'll go on hating you and everything you stand for.

I mean, if you wanna talk about asking around, it's not like anyone really likes you after years of being insulted by you, even if they respect your intellect. Maybe you should try being a little more respectful?
oh no u didn't1 It's cute that you think I care what you think, as if I'd be calling you to the carpet for holding reprehensible opinions if I did. Wait, how meta is that? Is it Meta-2, or Meta-3?

Please though, do tell us more about how we should bankrupt our nation to bring Jesus to Syria. You'll have to work hard to sway the Baq2Iraq vote.

Nevertheless, I would encourage you to try.
What part of "I would defect from the program" are you unable to understand? I've said it twice. You are either incapable of comprehending it, or are simply not listening.

Obviously, you don't.
I don't believe there's merit to any program of mass-murder and international belligerence. You could just as easily ask me what a Russian policy-maker should do about Ukraine. Well, I guess they should cave to the ultranationalist wing of the government too. I mean Putin's got 80% approval ratings and hey, non-Russians don't vote, better fire some more GRADs at the stupid "Homonazi" Maidan Junta!
 
I'll just leave this here.

Whereas it is essential, if man is not to be compelled to have recourse, as a last resort, to rebellion against tyranny and oppression, that human rights should be protected by the rule of law,

It would take some gold-medal mental gymnastics to explain how this doesn't apply.

EDIT: I'd be remiss not to point specifically to Articles 13, 15, 21, 25, and 28.
 
I believe there is merit in the Zionist project -- that despite its flaws, there is something good and valuable to be preserved there.

Obviously, you don't.

Yeah, like how the American project held merit despite the genocide of Native Americans? You can't support a program of "this is our land" at the expense of other human beings.
 
"The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"

The Charter of Allah: The Platform of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) (1988)

The above is still in force, btw.

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It's 2006. Osama's on the run, but he offers the USA a cease fire if we end the blockade of Guantanamo. Do you accept? (y/n)
 
I believe there is merit in the Zionist project -- that despite its flaws, there is something good and valuable to be preserved there.

Um...why? It's racist settler colonialism dressed up with Holocaust guilt and disturbing religious overtones. If the South Africans had given a catchy name to the project of creating and preserving a "nation-state of the Afrikaaner people," (who had quite a lot of persecution guilt to exploit themselves, what with being the guinea pigs for concentration camps and all) would you have thought there was something valuable to be preserved there?
 
If Palestinians got to a place where they had a decent quality of life they'd TOTALLY want to still kill all the Jews you're just SO RIGHT I'm in awe they definitely WOULDN'T want to sit back and enjoy the fruits of their prosperity no siree.
 
"The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!"

The Charter of Allah: The Platform of the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) (1988)

The above is still in force, btw.

Who cares? White people killed far more Jews than Hamas could possibly kill.
 
I'd rather have racist settler colonialism dressed up with Holocaust guilt and disturbing religious overtones than racist theocratic barbarism dressed up with Holocaust denial (but don't worry, they'll make sure it happens this time) and disturbing religious overtones.

Ignoring the fact that Israel has political parties, civil society, secular tolerance, and a thriving left wing. Also socialism.
 
You've still failed to address the point I've made twice now that Palestinians are also human beings? If you don't think so that's fine but honesty is the best policy, as always.
 
If Palestinians got to a place where they had a decent quality of life they'd TOTALLY want to still kill all the Jews you're just SO RIGHT I'm in awe they definitely WOULDN'T want to sit back and enjoy the fruits of their prosperity no siree.

Which is why rich muslims DON'T fund Islamic terror groups seeking to kill all the Jews right you caught me debate over
 
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