Why "All Lives Matters" is wrong

Who's Robert? I vote we tie up Robert and throw him in the shed.

Gori, is the question you're asking to be interpreted from an American POV only? Or is it to apply to these concepts in general?

Just curious so I can make proper sense of the answer when it comes
 
Those would have been good questions for the discussion phase, but I'm afraid the question has been called and the vote is underway.
 
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YEA!

wait... chill... I mean, "Yea."
 
The ayes have it.

Let the minutes reflect, the motion is carried: Owen Glyndwr will explain some basic concepts about accents and dialects within a language, and how accent-based discrimination is used as one of the tools for determining social class. And also how the non-prestige dialects are withering away fairly rapidly, especially in urban areas, across the world

Let the minutes further reflect that Mr. Glyndwr has asked that the body be "chill" in anticipating said explanation.

Do I hear a motion to adjourn?
 
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The meeting is adjourned.
 
To the bar!
 
I love congress! :cowboy::beer:
 
Disclaimer:
People unfamiliar with human interaction shall be advised that the following is a "rant".
The usual rules about picking small loose threads out of rants apply.

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Terxpahseyton's signature features Jan Böhmermann's "Ich hab Polizei".
The key line of the last stanza roughly translates to: they "have lit up 7 people last year".
The number is correct (for 2014). And he uses it, because it's supposedly bad...mule. Seven is supposed to be a lot.
Let's have a table here.

p for getting killed by the cops (per million)|
asian americans US| ~1
non-hispanic white US|~3
hispanic / latino US|~3
african american US|~7
men US|~7
native american US|~10
non-hispanic white women US|0.41
FRG (at large)|0.08

Points to note:
1) A black person of random gender is roughly as likely to be killed in the US as a man of random ethnicity.
This is significant, because the "conservative" justification for the former is exactly the same as the smarmy liberal justification for the latter.
2) The white supremacy is quite bad at killing hispanics. You know, because the racist President campaigned on building a Great Wall around Philadelphia.
3) I, as a 36 year old man with long hair and a brando style leather jacket that looks like it's been to hell am less likely to be killed by the cops than Amanda Marcotte.
Merely by vritue of living in another country.

So, now would be the point where you field bogus liberal coastal American arguments. Let me preempt them.
We do have minorities. We do have crime. We do have poverty. We do have urban hellscapes with syringes in the playground sandbox. We do have racist police. We do have guns.
Everybody in the developed world does. Well, with the possible exception of Monaco and Singapore.

Actually i can demonstrate to you how racist our cops may probably be and that the idea of them killing people is so foreign to us that we would push the idea of taunting cops on teenagers.
I can do it in a single ad:
Spoiler :
It's a worthless store-brand label. They have fake origin stories. Like 8 of them.


So before you implicitly endorse the propaganda of a group awash in rather dubious elements i suggest you get your story straight.

A few pointers:
#1: You think this is the flag of American racism.
You know, the flag of the Dawes Act, the Chinese Exclusion Act, Japanese internment, and 8 decades of slavery.
No? Oh right. That's the other one.
But Americans like the other one, don't they? Heritage not Hate, and all that?

#2: Liberal Americans are obsessed with how the head of the EPA used to sue the EPA.
But 3 years ago the story of him torturing a black man to death lasted all of 3 days.

#3: Liberal America has useless pricks boasting about how you will have a new 20$ bill, while misrepresenting other countries.
Yet, i got to use fully gender-equal paper money my entire youth, until someone had the dumb idea to replace it with stupid bridges.
And some inner city girl in the US will still buy her first pack of gum with the face of a slaveholder President.

#4: The US are the only highly developed country where primary and secondary schools for the urban poor look and operate like juvenile detention facilities.
Meanwhile US government is concerned with how white women at elite residential campuses are going to pay for birth control - a burden that most of the Sanders Countries file under "how to adult".

#5: I can't tell you what would happen if we bombed a wedding in some far away country. I can tell you that when we erroneously call for a US air strike in a far away country our parlament goes bananas for a month while the whole thing virtually doesn't make US news.

So here i am. Ignorant as i am. With the suspicion that US political culture has a massive problem with economic class and doesn't value life in general all that much.
You know, all of it.

But sure, denouncing politically unsavvy people who have the temerity to claim "all lives matter" - because that's oh-so-dangerous "code" - will be very helpfull, too.

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So the phrase "All Lives Matters" has always rubbed me the wrong way, because it implies an alliance between all Americans, regardless of creed ethnicity or race, with bigots being outside of the norm. That is not true. The election of Donald Trump proves that white people as a demographic will just as likely ally with bigots as with minorities. I want to stress this is not meant to be an individual judgment on all white people, but as an understanding that in our current model of race relations, a minority group cannot fundamentally trust the white majority as a demographic to protect their rights. In this model of race relations, a minority can only really trust others of a similar back ground and shared experience to protect their rights because it is in their best interests to do so too. Any cooperation with white people can only be a temporary coalition based on mutually beneficial goals, rather than an alliance based on shared values.

Yeah, this kind of talk is what got the Donald elected in the first place. Keep up the good work!
 
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Disclaimer:
Translation: "I don't want to take any responsibility or accountability for what I'm about to say but I really want to say it anyway to get it off my chest"

Fair enough... Everyone needs a place to vent without every word getting contradicted and analyzed, their feelings hurt, etc... I suggest marriage for that TBH... but hey, use whatever you can manage. If CFC is all you got... go with it.
People unfamiliar with human interaction shall be advised that the following is a "rant". The usual rules about picking small loose threads out of rants apply.
Translation: "I'm getting ready to say a bunch of baloney that I know is dubious/indefensible, but I don't want to be called out, challenged, debunked or refuted... I just want to get it off my chest..."

Fair enough... never gets old... I sincerely hope you felt better getting stuff off your chest.
 
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It made me feel a little better reading it.
 
Translation: "I don't want to take any responsibility [...]

No, you're perfectly welcome to disagree.
And if you know me, you know that i'm generally pro nitpicking.
But that's pointless with a rant. The very nature of a rant is to go "Really, guys?!".
You're supposed to take on the whole.
Now, you may feel that i am unilaterally asking this of you as a courtesy, on the vague credit that on occassion i may offer you the same license.
But i'm kind of not, because this is somewhat elementary to the thread, for this is the very nature of the premise as argued, rightfully so, by BLM:
Picking apart the small details of police justification for using force against one particular suspect, is not useful. Their argument is about the big picture. It's, in that sense, a rant.

And i am making the same kind of argument. That the systemic problem is even bigger. That there may be racism in it, that some of the parts got started with racist motivations (it's not called The New Jim Crow for nothing), but that it has festered and grown into something bigger over the decades. And that it is beyond white racism against African Americans, no matter how very real such racism may still be.

This is going to be bigger and harder than chastising racist police and American gun culture.
Like, you may feel my German comparison is unfair, that we're too Norwegian.
Fine, go with Hungary, where that reporter lady kicked the refugees, a Hungary awash in guns, full of racist obsession and ruled by an authoritarian cleptocrat that makes Trump look like a kitten. You think their cops aren't racist? Oh boy, they are... and they kill their "gypsies" - probably* - at the rate of white womenfolk in the US.
So you think policing dogwhistles is the thing?
Again: Really?

*I'm very confident. We could find out. But seeing how this may involve sources in actual Hungarian and seeing how you guys moan whenever you have to throw French or German into google translatee, i feel i am entitled to some degree of lazyness on this.
 
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It's just the thing in this thread. The topic of the thread is the phrase All Lives Matter. There are more important things. There are way more important things. Start a thread on those whichever of those important things is important to you and we'll talk about that thing.

To be clear, I'm not faulting you for venting, just claiming that the topic has a degree of legitimacy within its scope.
 
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No, you're perfectly welcome to disagree. And if you know me, you know that i'm generally pro nitpicking. But that's pointless with a rant. The very nature of a rant is to go "Really, guys?!". You're supposed to take on the whole.
Again... Translation: "I'm gonna poop in my hand and smear it all over this canvas... I'm acknowledging in advance via "disclaimer" and "rant" designation that this is what I'm doing... but you're still "perfectly welcome" to criticize my "art" if you want..."

No thanks matey... you already acknowledged its poop-smear on canvas with your "disclaimer and "rant" designation. Let me know when you're making a serious comment and I'll respond in kind.

As for your last sentence... just more of the same... if you want to use tiny font to indicate that its not to be responded to or taken seriously ... then fine, i'll oblige... no worries. Again... I highly recommend a husband, or wife, or girlfriend for that... but again that's me... you do you.
 

Let me just say this - yes there are more important and more meaningful conversations to be having about racism and liberal hypocrisy to be having, but i didn't have words for those topics. I have words for this topic. And even if I did have the words for that topic, what would it accomplish? Maybe some racist reactions, some reactions that don't get it, Tim being Tim, and maybe Farmboy saying some confusing things I don't get but assume are in good faith because i can't imagine fb ever acting in bad faith?
 
And even if I did have the words for that topic, what would it accomplish? Maybe some racist reactions, some reactions that don't get it, Tim being Tim, and maybe Farmboy saying some confusing things I don't get but assume are in good faith because i can't imagine fb ever acting in bad faith?

Well, okay. But if the prospect of the bolded were sufficient to inhibit posting, CFCOT would never see a new thread again.

Tim gonna Tim. And Farm Boy gonna baffle.
 
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