Why do persians dislike jews?

[Keshik]

I know plenty of persians, all of them call themselves persian and not Iranian.

I have never met anyone calling themselves Iranian. In my lifetime I have met two people who referred to themselves as Persian (or of Persian descent). A small sample, I admit, but in the USA, you probably would be hard pressed to find someone calling themselves Iranian after 1979.

 

[TheDervish]

I hope you all are aware that Iran had the highest population of Jews besides Israel prior to the events of 1979. There are sizable populations of Persian Jews in cities like New York and Los Angeles (in Israel as well; President Moshe Katsav is Persian Jew, as well as the former minister of defense, whose name escapes me at the moment). Does anyone here think they hate themselves?

 

[Bill3000]

I hope you all are aware that Iran had the highest population of Jews besides Israel prior to the events of 1979. There are sizable populations of Persian Jews in cities like New York and Los Angeles (in Israel as well; President Moshe Katsav is Persian Jew, as well as the former minister of defense, whose name escapes me at the moment). Does anyone here think they hate themselves?

I'm quite sure the Persian Jews, while related to the Perisans themselves, are considered to be a seperate ethnic group.

 

[Irish Caesar]

I'm basing this on personal experience. My persian friends seems to use the word 'jew' as a curse.

Exp: "And he didn't give me those ten crowns back! Swedes are goddamn jews!"

The persians in question were not islamic.

Yes, I could've asked them, but they would simply call me a racist. What an irony.

No Random Persian jokes, please!

To answer your question, it's not a Persian thing. "Jew" is often used derogatorily to describe someone who is overly thrifty. I imagine this began when Jews charged interest to borrow money, something which was un-Christian to do. Rather than lending money out of generosity, Jews would lend it and expect to make a few bucks for their effort, which seems entirely fair to me.

Of course now that everyone lends money at interest, it's just a rude (but rather common) thing to say that has little to do with present-day Jews.

 

[Nylan]

A lot of people hate Jews, and usually for stupid or baseless reasons. Horrible, but sadly true

This isn't really news

 

[Sidhe]

To answer your question, it's not a Persian thing. "Jew" is often used derogatorily to describe someone who is overly thrifty. I imagine this began when Jews charged interest to borrow money, something which was un-Christian to do. Rather than lending money out of generosity, Jews would lend it and expect to make a few bucks for their effort, which seems entirely fair to me.

Of course now that everyone lends money at interest, it's just a rude (but rather common) thing to say that has little to do with present-day Jews.

Money lenders in the temple thing, but it's deeper than that, it's more of a killing Jesus thing, and yes it's baseless drivel, but when did that stop humanity? Jesus forgave all humanity, humanity took his example and persecuted the Jews. Makes sense.

The current regime has no favour for Jews, but you'd be stupid to think that everyone or most people in Iran hates Jews, that's nonsense.

 

[CartesianFart]

No, it's because some Iranians are Persian. THe Persians didn't die out, much like the Greeks didn't die out. To say that the Persians died out is absolute nonsense, as their cultural heritage, including language, has continued. To say that the Persians do not exist anymore is ludicrous just because their religion has changed, because you miht as well say the same thing for the Greeks. And what had identified one as a Greek since the Byzantine Empire was being simply a greek-speaking christian.

I didn't say "die out" but just the fact that what constitute as being Persian over 2,000 years ago is different by bloodline as in the region as we call it Iran of today.

 

[Rossiya]

No Random Persian jokes, please!

So this Persian walks into a bar...

 

[Catharsis]

So this Persian walks into a bar...

*clang* Meeoowwrl!

 

[bhsup]

So this Persian walks into a bar...

And takes over the world!


Cats rule!

 

[Rossiya]

Didn't see those coming...

 

[Irish Caesar]

Money lenders in the temple thing, but it's deeper than that, it's more of a killing Jesus thing, and yes it's baseless drivel, but when did that stop humanity? Jesus forgave all humanity, humanity took his example and persecuted the Jews. Makes sense.

The current regime has no favour for Jews, but you'd be stupid to think that everyone or most people in Iran hates Jews, that's nonsense.

That's a "hate Jews" thing, which is, I think, less relevant than the "Jews are cheap" thing that I thought Swedishguy was referring to.

 

[Bill3000]

I didn't say "die out" but just the fact that what constitute as being Persian over 2,000 years ago is different by bloodline as in the region as we call it Iran of today.

Perhaps, (Though I highly doubt that the ancient persians are not the largest part of the persian genepool) but that's irrelevant, really. Ancestry has nothing to do with ethnicity. For an example, a good number of the greeks today are not necessarily classical greek in ancestry - the slavic migrations highly messed up the greek pennensula's genepool. As well, there's a lot of albanians in the genepool as a result of albanians moving to Attica/Morea to repopulate the area after the slavic migrations - but the descendents of these Albanians are considered fully greek and identify with the same heritage as those who are "true" Greek.

Another example would be the Turks in Turkey, who identify highly with the Turks in Turkestan, but not all of them were migrants from there - there are a ton of of assimilated greeks in the genepool.

It's quite impossible to do a full genology of an entire people - and ultimately irrelevant , unless genology is part of the identification of the ethnicity - and most ethnicities don't work like that.

 

[Leonel]

Because they control everything! Duh!

Also they use America as a puppet to invade Iraq so they can harvest the organs of innocent Muslim men, women and children to sell to rich gay couples in Tel Aviv and New York which coincidently is the plot to a popular Arabic movie.

 

[Sidhe]

That's a "hate Jews" thing, which is, I think, less relevant than the "Jews are cheap" thing that I thought Swedishguy was referring to.

True, sorry for not reading far back enough, my mistake

 

[Atlas14]

A lot of people dislike Jews, for many reasons: Excess money, snotty arrogant personalities and sense of superiority, religious history, Israel, other territorial concerns. Most are generalizations, but generalizations aren't always inaccurate.

 

[Maimonides]

Not sure, but I would think the answer would be rooted in ancient Persian history when the Jews were disbursed after the Babylonian capture of Israel.

Actually, the Persians conquered the Babylonians & freed the Jews who had been held in exile in Mesopotamia. Their king, Cyrus the Great, is remembered as a hero by Jews.

The Exodus which Moses led occured somewhere between 1600-1300 B.C., and obviously Noah and Adam and whatnot were far older than that.

The Exodus, if it happened (still no nonBiblical sources), can be dated to the reign of Ramses II. He is mentioned by name in the Torah's Exodus story.

Note: I changed the idiotic "BCE" to "B.C." in the quote.

It's not idiotic to the majority, non Christian world.

Well there is a terrorist state called Israel...

That statement is absurd.

Oh, it's just that my persian friends call themselves persians and not iranaians.

All the Iranians I know refer to themselves as Persian.

Anyway, when it comes to the real reason, it's quite simple - Israel and the adoption of European antisemetism. It has nothing to do with any historical dislike - there had been a jewish community in Persia since antiquity.

A more interesting question would be to find out how exactly antisemitism developed.

Yup.

im a european new zealander and my mum refers to people who are tight with money as jews

If that's true, then I'm sorry to say your "mum" is a bigot. Hopefully, that prejudicial attitude won't continue on to the next generation in your family. Allot of bigotry is learned at home.

I hope you all are aware that Iran had the highest population of Jews besides Israel prior to the events of 1979. There are sizable populations of Persian Jews in cities like New York and Los Angeles (in Israel as well; President Moshe Katsav is Persian Jew, as well as the former minister of defense, whose name escapes me at the moment). Does anyone here think they hate themselves?

Excellent point.

To answer your question, it's not a Persian thing. "Jew" is often used derogatorily to describe someone who is overly thrifty. I imagine this began when Jews charged interest to borrow money, something which was un-Christian to do. Rather than lending money out of generosity, Jews would lend it and expect to make a few bucks for their effort, which seems entirely fair to me.

Of course now that everyone lends money at interest, it's just a rude (but rather common) thing to say that has little to do with present-day Jews.

Correct.

I'd add that usury was considered criminal activity for Christians in Europe until the Reformation. European Jews were left with the task during that period being outside of Christian law. Imagine the economy without lending...

The Church did allow some exceptions to the rule like the Templars.

Money lenders in the temple thing, but it's deeper than that, it's more of a killing Jesus thing, and yes it's baseless drivel, but when did that stop humanity? Jesus forgave all humanity, humanity took his example and persecuted the Jews. Makes sense.

Nonesense. You are ignoring that Jesus, John the Baptist & Paul were Jews. See Irish Caesar's explaination above.

There's a big difference between humanity & Christians. Christians "took his example."

The current regime has no favour for Jews, but you'd be stupid to think that everyone or most people in Iran hates Jews, that's nonsense.

Yup.

Because they control everything! Duh!

Also they use America as a puppet to invade Iraq so they can harvest the organs of innocent Muslim men, women and children to sell to rich gay couples in Tel Aviv and New York which coincidently is the plot to a popular Arabic movie.

This would have suprised me once, but not any more. On a bus ride from Cairo to Eilat, I was shocked to see a movie being shown that portrayed Israelis as Nazis who were bent on debauching virtuous Muslim women. It was a state owned bus. Antisemitism isn't just propogated at the individual level. Sometimes, whole governments spread it.

A lot of people dislike Jews, for many reasons: Excess money, snotty arrogant personalities and sense of superiority, religious history, Israel, other territorial concerns. Most are generalizations, but generalizations aren't always inaccurate.

Absurd. Every negative trait that you just attributed to Jews can be found in any ethnic group. Donald Trump's not Jewish...

 

[Atlas14]

Absurd. Every negative trait that you just attributed to Jews can be found in any ethnic group. Donald Trump's not Jewish...

Try finding all these traits together as more prevalent in any other ethnic group! Not all the traits are inherently negative, it all depends on perspective.

 

[CartesianFart]

Perhaps, (Though I highly doubt that the ancient persians are not the largest part of the persian genepool) but that's irrelevant, really. Ancestry has nothing to do with ethnicity. For an example, a good number of the greeks today are not necessarily classical greek in ancestry - the slavic migrations highly messed up the greek pennensula's genepool. As well, there's a lot of albanians in the genepool as a result of albanians moving to Attica/Morea to repopulate the area after the slavic migrations - but the descendents of these Albanians are considered fully greek and identify with the same heritage as those who are "true" Greek.

Another example would be the Turks in Turkey, who identify highly with the Turks in Turkestan, but not all of them were migrants from there - there are a ton of of assimilated greeks in the genepool.

It's quite impossible to do a full genology of an entire people - and ultimately irrelevant , unless genology is part of the identification of the ethnicity - and most ethnicities don't work like that.

Very good and I can't disagree on what you have said on that the study of the genepool of a particular modern nation-state is substantially mixed and require a huge amount of sampling of dna such as one example of the Macedonian bloodline and ancient Greeks(which is different in bloodline from its modern counterpart) being mixed with the Persians after the Alexander conquest in the middleast but it is wierd that you supposed that i said "die out" when i never said anything of that context.

Finally we actually agree on something for a change.