Why is this connected to Civ3?

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I kinda have to agree with Symphony. Right now- as a subtopic- we get a steady trickle of players- some good, some bad, and some just plain out lunatics. If you move the forum, you'd be (sort of) opening the floodgates. Yes, we'd have alot more players. Yes, a few of them might know what they're doing. And yes, there would be a whole lot more to go off- there would probably be a full roster for many of the NESes.

But then again, you'd have to deal with that. How much can a mod truly take on? Doping an update for fifteen to twenty people is already bad, can you imagine the headache when they jump up to thirty? It already (should) take(s) a good couple of days (if not a week) to get an update finished, imagine how big they would be when you have to write for all those orders.

Also, imagine all the fighting that would go on- its a natural occurance that people do not always play nice with each other. With a bigger pop base, you have a multiplied rate of occurances, and much more banning- thus increasing to hinder the mods. Not only that, but you'd have to factor in the wya some of the people choose to behave- I hate to say it, but look at some of the newer people. They post without checking previous claims (attempting to claim a nation that's not only out of their league, but also already claimed by a much more experienced player.), they start up NESes on a whim and without putting much work behind them (yes, I know t=my pathetic excuse died without a true update, but I at least put three weeks into it), and they constantly annoy me :) (Just picking). You have to understand, by increasing our numbers, you also increase the numbers of headaches.

I understand that for every bad five that come, you might get a decent person. Someone willing to put forth the effort to play this game, and not somebody who merely wings every last thing. The thing I find most annoying about people is that they refuse to do even the slightest bit of research- and I hope that nobody considerers Wiki "research". Its nice for a glance, but you need a better source.

The way I see it, our best option would be to leave it as it is. We have a good number of players who know what they're doing, and I'm happy with it.

And yes, I know I do everything I said annoys me.
 
-Rarely do we get Civ3 Stories and Tales regulars joining the forum, 1889 being one of the only examples I can recall, and SG's are an entirely different arena. Few of them have ever popped in here as well. So the idea that S+T provides some life-sustaining influence is probably untrue as well.
Azash, Lord_Iggy, everyone who joined because of my old story 'Destiny of Glory' (and that was in Civ4 S&T.

I don't think we should move until the steady trickle of new players ends.

I'm not against moving to all other games, but I don't think that's necessary at this time. Our community is a comfortable 'everyone knows everyone' society right now.
 
No, because my analogy actually makes sense. :p

As does mine. We're more alike than you'd like to believe. Like, okay?

Anyway, I think the solution is to post a cleverly disguised NES into each of the prospective forums. (just disguise it enough so that it looks like it belongs) Then see what sort of players it draws in.
 
Without referencing particulars, I agree with Symph and Dark. I like most of the people on the forum and the rest I most likely just don't know. It already takes time to get to know the people we have even in vague terms. I wholeheartedly, completely, unabashedly, adjectively disagree that "more is surely better." The people MjM cited look like a valuable addition, but the people that take the time to see whats going on here and then stick around to become a part of the community are the kind of committed people we need. Warm bodies are not.

Furthermore, if people like Iggy will continue posting in the S&T forums and maintain links to NESing in their profile (or, even better, start a story, then stop it, refrencing time spent NESing), curious people will come. They'll see if they like it or think they can keep up with it and if not, they'll leave.

And just to continue ad hominem attacks, have you seen the people in OT? No thank you. :p
 
Without referencing particulars, I agree with Symph and Dark. I like most of the people on the forum and the rest I most likely just don't know. It already takes time to get to know the people we have even in vague terms. I wholeheartedly, completely, unabashedly, adjectively disagree that "more is surely better." The people MjM cited look like a valuable addition, but the people that take the time to see whats going on here and then stick around to become a part of the community are the kind of committed people we need. Warm bodies are not.

Furthermore, if people like Iggy will continue posting in the S&T forums and maintain links to NESing in their profile (or, even better, start a story, then stop it, refrencing time spent NESing), curious people will come. They'll see if they like it or think they can keep up with it and if not, they'll leave.

And just to continue ad hominem attacks, have you seen the people in OT? No thank you. :p

I think we can all agree to install a Self-Destruct button in the event that a group of OTers ever find their way here. No offense, MjM ;)
 
Hey, I post in OT and I resent that remark. There are plenty of clever and useful OTers, like El_Machinae, aneeshm, IglooDude, and Little Raven, not to mention that silver also posts to OT regularly.
 
For how long will the spirit of Renoism haunt this forum? Basically, as was already pointed out, this has been discussed before a thousand times and it was always decided in the end that its just not worth the miniscule, probably nonexistant effort and risk. Lets keep things the way they are, only without this kind of threads. Vive la bastille.

No offense intended to Reno himself, btw.
 
No, it was decided to not do anything at all, and so far that solution has paid off in full.
 
Hey, I post in OT and I resent that remark. There are plenty of clever and useful OTers, like El_Machinae, aneeshm, IglooDude, and Little Raven, not to mention that silver also posts to OT regularly.

CivGeneral and Bozo Erectus might be my favorites over there...

I know I am new here, being only in SheepNES. I hang around in OT as much as here, and to tell you the truth, I think OT is a place NES forum must avoid at all costs. Sure there are very compatible people, but there are many people that I can imagine argueing/defying the NES moderator over every small detail, in the case of historical/real life NESes. I think it would be a bad idea even if the ratio of compatible to incompatible players was 1 to 1. Imagine 3 good and 3 annoying rookies join your NES, I think you would get annoyed in the overall.

Can someone make a poll thread for this so that we settle the issue. (I don't know how to make a poll :blush:)

a) stay here
b) move to OT
c) move to other games
d) move to civ4 S&T
e) move to the radioactive monkey's ...
 
I'll throw a basic one into Other Games and see how it does...when i can be arsed.
 
I guess we have to go back to asking the basic question, "Should the NESing forum be based here?"

If anything, it's categorized as a Civ3 subforum because of the Stories and Tales part, as a nod to the story-based past of NESing in general. An even more important question that needs to be asked is, "Is NESing a story or a game?" If it's more of a story, keeping it in S+T makes more sense. But if it's more of a game, it should go into Other Games, since it is, technically...an other (non-Civilization) game.
 
Who gives a damn? Honestly. Does anyone here stay awake at night because our subforum has mutated beyond its classification? Anybody? Anybody? No? Then why are we still talking about this? It's not critical to anything right now. There's no reason for it. The arguments being made to support it are as of this time right now, frankly, garbage. If membership drops off, they become valid. But it's not, so they aren't. This topic no longer serves any practicable function.
 
Well, I haven't put in anything to this topic ever.

But let's just leave things as they are. Curious people will still just pop in occasionally giving a nice trickle with which to work with. I mean, we've had quite a few decent new people (by new, I mean those who have joined since I last became really active) such as Niklas, knigh+ and LittleBoots (I'm sure he came after I made my frequent disappearances).

So therefore, let's let sleeping dogs lie and let this topic rest in peace.
 
Wow, is the status quo so sacred that we have to kill discussion at the mention of a "sensitive" topic?

I see the merits of both sides, but no one has to be so rabid in defending their position as to actually demand that discussion stop.

Gag rule FTW...

(not addressed to anyone in particular)
 
To be entirely fair, this topic has been raised over and over and over and over again.. It gets tiring, mate. ;)
 
Since I've been deriving so much enjoyment from watching you guys argue with each other, I suppose I should say something. :p

I don't really care where we end up as long as we stay on CivFanatics. Every attempt in the past to move elsewhere (I can think of two--one by Amirsan and one by Jason the King) has ended in disaster.

As a side note, Symphony, if you don't want to discuss the topic, then don't read it. Treat this thread as a honorary member of OT. :p
 
Thlayli said:
I see the merits of both sides, but no one has to be so rabid in defending their position as to actually demand that discussion stop.
Nice disclaimer at the end there. I have already said I support moving. Yet somehow I'm rabidly opposed to it. That makes perfect sense. It's totally a gag order for someone to come along and say "Hey, you will not get a definitive answer and this topic is old; it serves no function in being continued."

See also the below.

jalapeno_dude said:
As a side note, Symphony, if you don't want to discuss the topic, then don't read it.
Sorry, that's a modern-day copout of an opinion. I will challenge people to support the claims and statements they make to make sure they're making them for the right reasons. I have, as of yet, to see any real justification for moving right now, at this very moment. It's just the same tired arguments as the other threads and we're spinning our wheels. I have noticed this, and I am proclaiming it. It's well within my right to question the logic of one giant circular argument, and call a spade a spade, as and when I please. If the rest of you enjoy wasting your time, that's fine. But I'd like you to know that you are indeed doing just that, because nothing has been said in this topic that hasn't been said before at least twice.

It's like starting a topic on abortion thinking you'll somehow finally resolve the controversy: you won't. Since it revolves around something I actually have an interest in, I will continue to remind people of that fact.
 
If you have an interest in it, why do you want to stop discussing it?

Also, note the :p in my last post...
 
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