[RD] Why the "It's okay to be white" trolling campaign worked

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Valessa said:
The website that shall not be named had organized a trolling campaign

There is some beauty in the artful way in which the website that shall not be named has managed to make people disagree with a statement that only affirms the humanity of white people

Purely by knowing the subtext that other people would interpret into that statement, the website that shall not be named has managed to play so many people, people who made themselves look like fools.

Instead, "triggered little snowflakes" have not only created tons of material for the website that shall not be named to laugh about, no they've also helped the actual White Supremacists
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why don't you, y'know, go back?.. I really doubt we desperately needed the 23594th racebaiting thread for this week.
 
yung.carl.jung said:
why don't you, y'know, go back?.. I really doubt we desperately needed the 23594th racebaiting thread for this week.
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This is not a thread about race baiting, this is a thread where we analyze how a trolling campaign successfully used race baiting because its orchestrators anticipated the behavior of those they tried to manipulate. As such, it is a tool for learning, as understanding how one might be used as a pawn is the first step to successfully negating such malicious attempts at manipulation in the future.
 
How can the extraordinary gains in "race" relations be erased? A young person has no experience to what it was like in the sixties and thinks today is bad and therefore associates all white people in some stereotypical manner.

How is that any different than the Ku Klux Klan? It is legitimizing the marginalization of some by skin color. If you actually took classes on history and ethnicity, you would know that some elitist progressive Democrat once felt Irish and Italians were subhuman. Yet today, you are lumping these folks as oppressors when in history they had huge difficulty being accepted and they were considered inferior.

The idea of white oppression is so flawed and nearly devoid of factual history. A tiny class of extremely wealthy folks of Western European ancestry, typically Anglo-Saxon, often specifically of English ancestry, who had become the robber barons by extreme exploitation were the privileged class. I mean a tiny handful.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robber_baron_(industrialist)

The immigration came in waves. And with each wave, new immigrants who might be Scandanavian and lilly white were considered, "the Great Unwashed". They might even be Germans or Russians.

At least take some balanced history classes and read some balanced books. All white people, first doesn't exist in history, and neither were all oppressive.
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When I think of the alt-right, three names come to mind: Vox Day and Mike Cernovitch. I would put in libertarian Stephan Moyneux who is no intellectual lightweight.

They are not Republicans because the Republican party has been inundated with RINOs who frankly are neocons. The neo-conservative.movement began by Democrats who realized the foolishness of liberalism when confronted by the USSR and Communist China. So then as they aged they got increasingly conservative.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

You might look the John Birch Society who while arch-conservative, actually wanted to detach the USA from all foreign entanglements, pare down the military,.and be isolationists. Much of the alt-right could be actually Bircher nationalists. It is not a bigoted organization whatsoever.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society

Richard Spencer is just a skinhead masking as a legitimate political figure.

The nationalism of President Trump is more akin to a Labor Democrat,.often called a Reagan Democrat. Note that he supported the labor democrats in the past.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_Democrat

Several of you are using very generic terms which ignore political history. What is amusing is Hillary Clinton is a neo-con and why she attends globalist events like the Council of Foreign Relations which you can find on youtube. That is where her allegiance lies, not the Democratic party of prior to the 1990s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_on_Foreign_Relations
Their goal is a New World Order based on corporatism not nation states. Money breaks the borders of nations. It was parodied in the film Network and you must watch that to see how greedy they are as near Ferengi capitalists.

Her husband campaigned largely as a Labor Democrat but then backstabbed with NAFTA.

Once you know the terms, then your posts might make sense on white supremacy...provided you supply copious evidence. It doesn't exist as a corpus but is conspiracy theory based upon all the reasons I supplied.
 
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Since none of those people consider themselves alt-right and Spencer does, and also coined the term, I think it's your impression that's incorrect.

And Richard Spencer, whatever else one may think of him, is the polar opposite of a skinhead!
 
Katie88 said:
Since none of those people consider themselves alt-right and Spencer does, and also coined the term, I think it's your impression that's incorrect.

And Richard Spencer, whatever else one may think of him, is the polar opposite of a skinhead!
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Well, I make it my business to read various political theory and in fact Vox Day wrote a brief explanation for the Alt-Right. Mike Cernovitch is alt-right. Stephen Molyneux is a declared libertarian BUT.....is so frequently a joint guest with Mike Cernovitch that it seems he has taken up with the alt-right movement.

He also has had Blonde in the Belly of the Beast on his radio and youtube show, who is an alt-right female commentator on his show. And Lauren Southern too.

I beg to differ with you. Richard Spencer started as a nationalist who happens to be "white" whatever that means and then began doing political theater inducing images of brownshirts. He even did sig heil saluting without saying as much just to get some buzz going. How revolting.

The FBI estimates under 10,000 white supremacists in America out of 326 million. It sounds scary but really they are so marginalized as to laughable except for rare violence.

That is 0.00003%. Let's be proportional in our concern.
 
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Here is what Vox Day wrote and can be freely disseminated. I am not saying I believe in it. In fact, I am not white.

This is only so you understand what this term alt-right means to Vox Day.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2016/08/what-alt-right-is.html
In the interest of developing a core Alternative Right philosophy upon which others can build.
  1. The Alt Right is of the political right in both the American and the European sense of the term. Socialists are not Alt Right. Progressives are not Alt Right. Liberals are not Alt Right. Communists, Marxists, Marxians, cultural Marxists, and neocons are not Alt Right. National Socialists are not Alt Right.
  2. The Alt Right is an ALTERNATIVE to the mainstream conservative movement in the USA that is nominally encapsulated by Russel Kirk's10 Conservative Principles, but in reality has devolved towards progressivism. It is also an alternative to libertarianism.
  3. The Alt Right is not a defensive attitude and rejects the concept of noble and principled defeat. It is a forward-thinking philosophy of offense, in every sense of that term. The Alt Right believes in victory through persistence and remaining in harmony with science, reality, cultural tradition, and the lessons of history.
  4. The Alt Right believes Western civilization is the pinnacle of human achievement and supports its three foundational pillars: Christianity, the European nations, and the Graeco-Roman legacy.
  5. The Alt Right is openly and avowedly nationalist. It supports all nationalisms and the right of all nations to exist, homogeneous and unadulterated by foreign invasion and immigration.
  6. The Alt Right is anti-globalist. It opposes all groups who work for globalist ideals or globalist objectives.
  7. The Alt Right is anti-equalitarian. It rejects the idea of equality for the same reason it rejects the ideas of unicorns and leprechauns, noting that human equality does not exist in any observable scientific, legal, material, intellectual, sexual, or spiritual form.
  8. The Alt Right is scientodific. It presumptively accepts the current conclusions of the scientific method (scientody), while understanding a) these conclusions are liable to future revision, b) that scientistry is susceptible to corruption, and c) that the so-called scientific consensus is not based on scientody, but democracy, and is therefore intrinsically unscientific.
  9. The Alt Right believes identity > culture > politics.
  10. The Alt Right is opposed to the rule or domination of any native ethnic group by another, particularly in the sovereign homelands of the dominated peoples. The Alt Right is opposed to any non-native ethnic group obtaining excessive influence in any society through nepotism, tribalism, or any other means.
  11. The Alt Right understands that diversity + proximity = war.
  12. The Alt Right doesn't care what you think of it.
  13. The Alt Right rejects international free trade and the free movement of peoples that free trade requires. The benefits of intranational free trade is not evidence for the benefits of international free trade.
  14. The Alt Right believes we must secure the existence of white people and a future for white children.
  15. The Alt Right does not believe in the general supremacy of any race, nation, people, or sub-species. Every race, nation, people, and human sub-species has its own unique strengths and weaknesses, and possesses the sovereign right to dwell unmolested in the native culture it prefers.
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Point #11 is absurd.
Point#14 raises my hackles, makes me angry, and is scientifically meaningless and regressive.

I agree in the merits of some of these ideas like #13 wholeheartedly.
Generalities mean nothing without considering actions and sincerity.
#7 is problematic because it violates at least John Locke's Natural Rights theory from conception, but I would agree no two people are equivalent. That is impossible. I am strong proponent of the inherent and inalienable rights of all people.
Point#4 is problematic though I agree that Western Civ has such contribution as to be extremely significant but not exclusively so and denies the contribution of Sumeria, and Babylon, and ancient China, and and.
 
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yung.carl.jung said:
Calling Richard Spencer an intellectual is akin to calling Pol Pot a philantropist.
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That's how he styles himself. Opinions may differ on whether he is, of course.

Cassius Critzer said:
Well, I make it my business to read various political theory and in fact Vox Day wrote a brief explanation for the Alt-Right. Mike Cernovitch is alt-right. Stephen Molyneux is a declared libertarian BUT.....is so frequently a joint guest with Mike Cernovitch that it seems he has taken up with the alt-right movement.

He also has had Blonde in the Belly of the Beast, who is an alt-right female commentator on his show. And Lauren Southern too.

I beg to differ with you. Richard Spencer started as a nationalist who happens to be "white" whatever that means and then began doing political theater inducing images of brownshirts. He even did sig heil saluting without saying as much just to get some buzz going. How revolting.
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You said this:

I really do not know what at right means as it is a very recent phenomena.
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a few hours ago, and now you're trying to explain what it is! :crazyeye: All I can suggest is that you make an effort to find a bit more about it before giving a lecture.

To talk very briefly about some of the people you mentioned. Vox Day is a libertarian who rejects the label 'alt-right' (he described himself as that in the past but then later disassociated himself). Mike Cernovich is a slightly edgy 'conservative' shyster who has very few firm political beliefs; he too rejects the 'alt-right' label. Stephen Molyneux, interestingly enough, although a libertarian, and with plenty of anarchist leanings in the past, has been moving closer to nationalist territory in recent times, and is likely to move closer still since that's the intellectual endpoint of much of what he talks about. He's still not alt-right, though.

And, in fact, Richard Spencer started out as an anti-war conservative in the wake of the Iraq débâcle. He then moved in a much more nationalist and nouvelle droite direction. He coined the term alt-right and describes himself as that and as an identitarian.
 
Yeah, and I STILL don't know what the alt-right term means because Vox Day does not speak for the Alt-Right but wrote a brief which went viral by design. Thus it is an early significant statement. There is no John Handcock on it ie no co-signers as if it is a manifesto like the Dec of Independence!

Give me a break.

What is it? Are a fan of Richard Spencer or think he's not your version of an ideal neonazi?

Of the 10,000 I mentioned, many are Aryan Nation and either incarcerated or ex-cons.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_Nations

The names I mentioned are widely accepted alt-right folks.

With Molyneux, he might have called himself an anarcho-capitalist once or twice in the past.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism
Post-Antifa who have anarchists among them, I think he's so appalled as to outright reject anarchist as a valid political belief. Antifa tracks back to the abominable Iberian Anarchist Federation 1936-1939...and the abolition of private property.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_Catalonia
The autocorrect is kicking my butt.
 
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