Wolf Blitzer vs. Michael Moore

[Bamspeedy]

First an introduction, the clip that resulted in Moore's rant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZxkMtqJZkU

And here is Moore's rant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TR1SG8WDbU

I love Lou Dobb's and Jack Cafferty's responses at the end.

 

[amadeus]

Wow, CNN really did their best to prop up Moore's flimsy premises.

 

[Godwynn]

Reminds me a lot of the interview with David Duke.

I don't quite enjoy how he blasts the mainstream media, but he says later he watches CNN.

"I just wonder when the American People are gonna turn off their TV's and stop listening to this stuff."

 

[JollyRoger]

I guess that makes Michael Moore a conservative now that liberal media powerhouse CNN is bashing him.

 

[amadeus]

Reminds me a lot of the interview with David Duke.

I don't quite enjoy how he blasts the mainstream media, but he says later he watches CNN.

"I just wonder when the American People are gonna turn off their TV's and stop listening to this stuff."

I remember when Ted Turner always used to brag about how Fidel Castro watches CNN.

 

[Phlegmak]

Michael Moore is a sissy. It's kind of funny that he says a lot of things that his "polar opposites" like O'Reilly and Hannity say. They're saying the same things. "You guys in the mainstream media." "You guys aren't doing your job." "You're not showing the real information from the Iraq war."

I watched the clips. They're good watching.

 

[Merkinball]

Half through...when is he gonna start talking about Sicko and the points that Dr. Gupta brought up?

"I'm gonna put up the REAL stat's at my site later tonight."

Okay...

 

[Phlegmak]

And there it is!

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

"Just apologize to the American people and to the families of the troops for not doing your job four years ago. We wouldn't be in this war if you had done your job. Come on. Just admit it. Just apologize to the American people." -- Michael Moore, live on The Situation Room

'SiCKO' Truth Squad Sets the Record Straight:
CNN vs. THE FACTS
"If we get that confirmed, obviously, we'll correct the record." -- Wolf Blitzer, live on The Situation Room

'Fahrenheit 9/11' is Right (VIDEO)
-- Douglas Brinkley, U.S. Historian and director of the Theodore Roosevelt Center for American Civilization

Demand an apology from CNN for Dr. Sanjay Gupta's biased report on 'SiCKO' and for helping the Bush administration lie us into a pointless war.

EDIT: Here are the SiCKO facts he was talking about in the clips.
http://www.michaelmoore.com/sicko/checkup/

 

[Merkinball]

Michael Moore: 18,000 people die every year because they don't have insurance.

Michael Moore: We have one of the largest socialized medical systems, it's called medicair and medicade.

Uhh. Okay...

 

[Captain Planet]

CNN enrages me. There are so many doctors in Cuba that they literally send thousands, tens of thousands, to countries around the world to help. Wait times in Canada? All our doctors are lured into the States!

My healthcare in Canada has been top-notch. So I've waited an hour or two when I've broken my foot or hand, it was still free.

And if some Americans think CNN is liberal, your country is far far far far far far far too far to the right.

 

[Phlegmak]

CNN enrages me. There are so many doctors in Cuba that they literally send thousands, tens of thousands, to countries around the world to help. Wait times in Canada? All our doctors are lured into the States!

My healthcare in Canada has been top-notch. So I've waited an hour or two when I've broken my foot or hand, it was still free.

Hold on there, cowboy.

Nowhere did CNN say that Cuba's healthcare system sucks or that they don't send doctors all over the world.

Nowhere did CNN say that Canada's healthcare system was bad. They mentioned wait times, which you seem to agree with.

 

[amadeus]

CNN enrages me.

At least we're agreed about something.

There are so many doctors in Cuba that they literally send thousands, tens of thousands, to countries around the world to help.

That's pretty sick if the Cuban government can conscript doctors and dispatch them without their consent.

Wait times in Canada? All our doctors are lured into the States!

Canada has 2.1 doctors for every 1,000 population compared to 2.8 doctors in the U.S., hardly "all" of your physicians, surgeons, etc.

My healthcare in Canada has been top-notch. So I've waited an hour or two when I've broken my foot or hand, it was still free.

Do they even teach basic economics in Canada?

Your health services are not free; they are subsidized by the state, who is funded by the taxpayers.

 

[Merkinball]

It's NOT free. It's called taxes.

When I'm out of the country, the CNN is different than the CNN here. I think it's CNN international that I watch when not stateside. I really like CNN international and am of the opinion that's it's far and away the best news out there, even better than the BBC, although slightly left leaning. But I despise CNN and Headline News in America, mainly because it's cheeky and stupid, but also because it's hardly objective.

 

[emzie]

Michael Moore: 18,000 people die every year because they don't have insurance.

Michael Moore: We have one of the largest socialized medical systems, it's called medicair and medicade.

Uhh. Okay...

Medicade is one of the best socialized health care systems in the world, if you're really poor or disabled. If you're lower-middle class, you're screwed.

 

[amadeus]

Medicade is one of the best socialized health care systems in the world, if you're really poor or disabled. If you're lower-middle class, you're screwed.

I'm poor, but I pay for my health insurance!

 

[emzie]

I'm poor, but I pay for my health insurance!

I was serious. Medicade is amazing. Far better than anything I saw in Canada.

 

[Merkinball]

Interesting, the last three years that I was poor, I averaged $13000 in income. Guess what priority one was? Getting health insurance. Guess what priority two was? Ensuring that I kept myself healthy so that my comprehensive health premiums remained low and affordable.

The only really despicable hole that I see in our healthcare system, is how young people with pre-existing conditions can't get health insurance, or can't get it affordably. But we fix that without socializing the entire system.

 

[Integral]

I'd love free health care if it didn't cost so much.

Let's say that Moore is right, and the US pays $7,000 per year per citizen on health care. Now, let's nationalize it and, for the sake of argument, say that the government magically reduces the cost to $5,500 per citizen.

Now, instead of paying $2.1 trillion out of our own pockets, we pay an additional $1.65 trillion to the government every year. That's a tax increase for everyone, unless of course you want to levy that tax on "the rich", and thus stifle investment and growth.

Either way, that would increase the Federal government's revenue and expenses from $2.55 trillion to $4.2 trillion.

Putting an additional $1.65 trillion under Federal responsiblity is not a welcoming prospect, considering our government's track record with big ticket items. Socialized/Nationalized health care is far too expensive to implement in the United States.

Integral

 

[emzie]

I'd love free health care if it didn't cost so much.

Let's say that Moore is right, and the US pays $7,000 per year per citizen on health care. Now, let's nationalize it and, for the sake of argument, say that the government magically reduces the cost to $5,500 per citizen.

Now, instead of paying $2.1 trillion out of our own pockets, we pay an additional $1.65 trillion to the government every year. That's a tax increase for everyone, unless of course you want to levy that tax on "the rich", and thus stifle investment and growth.

Either way, that would increase the Federal government's revenue and expenses from $2.55 trillion to $4.2 trillion.

Putting an additional $1.65 trillion under Federal responsiblity is not a welcoming prospect, considering our government's track record with big ticket items. Socialized/Nationalized health care is far too expensive to implement in the United States.

They do an amazing job with medicaid. It's very similar to the system in Canada - private doctors bill the government for services rendered.

Just few people are eligible....

 

[Captain Planet]

At least we're agreed about something.


That's pretty sick if the Cuban government can conscript doctors and dispatch them without their consent.


Canada has 2.1 doctors for every 1,000 population compared to 2.8 doctors in the U.S., hardly "all" of your physicians, surgeons, etc.


Do they even teach basic economics in Canada?

Your health services are not free; they are subsidized by the state, who is funded by the taxpayers.

We lose an abundance of highly trained professionals to the United States each year. Your per-capita arguement proves nothing, especially since Canada has such a high proportion of rural communities suffering from lack of doctors.

Canadians know fine well they pay for their health-care with their taxes. We collectively refer to this as free, since we do not physically move our money to a Hospital or to a Government. The taxes are automatic, expected, and thoroughly supported by the majority of Canadians.