Won't you sin in Heaven?

There will of course be free will in heaven. I guess that this means, as a consequence, that it will be possible to sin, and the probable results will include being kicked out. But to get to heaven, you have to really want to be a moral person, and when you are there following morality will always have positive consequences - it will become a part of who we are.

If you really want to be contrary you still have free will, so you can sin and even get kicked out. But there is no reason to, and if you are the sort of person who is so contrary that you will give up paradise just to prove a point, then it may be hard to get into heaven in the first place.

Additionally, we will be free of the sorts of temptations that so often play a part in whether we choose to sin, in the first place.

So - yes, there can be sin in heaven, but there is absolutely no reason to sin, so there probably won't be.
 
Personal question ... you LDS missionaries seem to be well trained. Did you hear this type of question already, or would you be guessing? Or do you just know where to look for reference?
 
El_Machinae said:
Personal question ... you LDS missionaries seem to be well trained. Did you hear this type of question already, or would you be guessing? Or do you just know where to look for reference?

The reason that we seem so well-trained is that most of us have 19 years of Sunday School under our belts before starting. However, in my case, I have had a lot more exposure to alternate philosophical viewpoints than most. To answer the question, all I did was apply the principles that we teach relating to free will, sin, and everything. I had never heard that question before, and I don't know if anyone else has answered it, but I do know what we believe about the nature of God and free will and sin.
 
to answer your original question

btw they are pearl gates, not golden.

Revelation 21
All Things Made New
1 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, John,[a] saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”
5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”
6 And He said to me, “It is done![c] I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,[d] and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving,[e] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
The New Jerusalem

9 Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me[f] and talked with me, saying, “Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb’s wife.”[g] 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy[h] Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God. Her light was like a most precious stone, like a jasper stone, clear as crystal. 12 Also she had a great and high wall with twelve gates, and twelve angels at the gates, and names written on them, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: 13 three gates on the east, three gates on the north, three gates on the south, and three gates on the west.
14 Now the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. 15 And he who talked with me had a gold reed to measure the city, its gates, and its wall. 16 The city is laid out as a square; its length is as great as its breadth. And he measured the city with the reed: twelve thousand furlongs. Its length, breadth, and height are equal. 17 Then he measured its wall: one hundred and forty-four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of an angel. 18 The construction of its wall was of jasper; and the city was pure gold, like clear glass. 19 The foundations of the wall of the city were adorned with all kinds of precious stones: the first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third chalcedony, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth sardonyx, the sixth sardius, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth chrysoprase, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst. 21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls: each individual gate was of one pearl. And the street of the city was pure gold, like transparent glass.
The Glory of the New Jerusalem

22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city had no need of the sun or of the moon to shine in it,[j] for the glory[k] of God illuminated it. The Lamb is its light. 24 And the nations of those who are saved[l] shall walk in its light, and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.[m] 25 Its gates shall not be shut at all by day (there shall be no night there). 26 And they shall bring the glory and the honor of the nations into it.[n] 27 But there shall by no means enter it anything that defiles, or causes[o] an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.
 
Eran of Arcadia said:
There will of course be free will in heaven. I guess that this means, as a consequence, that it will be possible to sin, and the probable results will include being kicked out. But to get to heaven, you have to really want to be a moral person, and when you are there following morality will always have positive consequences - it will become a part of who we are.

If you really want to be contrary you still have free will, so you can sin and even get kicked out. But there is no reason to, and if you are the sort of person who is so contrary that you will give up paradise just to prove a point, then it may be hard to get into heaven in the first place.

Additionally, we will be free of the sorts of temptations that so often play a part in whether we choose to sin, in the first place.

So - yes, there can be sin in heaven, but there is absolutely no reason to sin, so there probably won't be.
Wait a sec?!?!

I thought Heaven is the absence of sin so therefor no one can sin in heaven.
 
CivGeneral said:
Wait a sec?!?!

I thought Heaven is the absence of sin so therefor no one can sin in heaven.

The Morning Star managed it, along with some other malcontents, so I suppose it is possible.

I'm going to go out on a limb and stake out a very firm "I don't know" position regarding sin in Heaven after death and its consequences.
 
I would say that it is possible to sin in heaven just like it is possible for a mentally healthy person walking down the street to suddenly start slapping everyone he sees with a dead cat. As in, he has free will and no one will prevent him, but there is no reason to do so.
 
El_Machinae said:
So ... do you think there will be another Jesus? To save the new batch of sinners?

Apparently Muslims are waiting for the return of Jesus as well.

He will then wage a battle against the false Jesus or Dajjal, break the cross, kill swine and call all humanity to Islam.

I had an interesting discussion with a Muslim cabbie regarding this once - apparently the battle between the real and the fake Jesus is supposed to resemble a Japanimation/Matrix-type fight.

That sounds a lot cooler than the Christian version of the return of Jesus - but then again I love bacon so I'm not sure which one I'd prefer to come true ;)
 
That sounds a lot cooler than the Christian version of the return of Jesus

You've heard that religions all contain aspects of the 'truth', right? Usually by some hippy, in my experience.

What would be cool is a matrix-style fight and then the bacon!
 
El_Machinae said:
You've heard that religions all contain aspects of the 'truth', right? Usually by some hippy, in my experience.

Yeah.. So maybe instead of killing all the pigs or judging the world, he's going to be the judge in a bacon-eating contest?
 
CivGeneral said:
Wait a sec?!?!

I thought Heaven is the absence of sin so therefor no one can sin in heaven.

Mormons have a slightly different view of heaven (or should I say heavens) than traditional christians.
 
VRWCAgent said:
The Morning Star managed it, along with some other malcontents, so I suppose it is possible.

Assuming of course, that "sin" as we understand it also applies to angels.

I'm going to go out on a limb and stake out a very firm "I don't know" position regarding sin in Heaven after death and its consequences.

A wise course of action if I ever heard...:)
 
warpus said:
That sounds a lot cooler than the Christian version of the return of Jesus - but then again I love bacon so I'm not sure which one I'd prefer to come true ;)

I got news for you Warpus....most likely in that text..YOU are the bacon!!!!!
 
warpus said:
I taste better than bacon.

Ask my ex!
If she's your ex then either
1. You don't taste that good or
2. You made her ill afterwards
 
El_Machinae said:
I mean, Adam and Eve sinned. Lucifer fell.

Why do people assume that people won't continue to sin in Heaven? Will they have more information that those two groups had?

I'd think in the direct presence of the Kingdom of Heaven / House of the Father, it would be much more obvious to you that doing such a thing would be "highly ill-advised", than here on this planet, where you (seemingly, *cough*) can do whatever, with little or no consequence.

As for Adam & Eve, and Lucifer, I can't answer for what they might have been thinking. All I can say is, look where they ended up. Much worse off. That's why I say: "Trust the instinct, that warns you of the consequence of sin", aka Holy Spirit. It'll be there, in Heaven, much more strongly than here. So, just don't be a fool, and you'll be fine. 'Choose' to sin, and, well, you know - consequences. That's the way it works.

Maybe... your punishment would be... having to come back... here. I've often thought that's the boat I'm in. Many times, I've thought that.

I'll make sure it never happens again, though. This place is pathetic. But, that's the wrong attitude. Probably the same one that got me here in the first place. Gotta be positive. And constructive. Helpful. Yes.
 
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