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World Wonder Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by HoorayForSiam, May 16, 2018.

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  1. Bojevus

    Bojevus Chieftain

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 33
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 21
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 27 +1 = 28 (So. Many. Great. People.)
    Oxford University - 24
    Potala Palace - 16 - 3 = 13 (What's the point of diplomatic slots again?)
    Pyramids - 35
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
  2. OneMoreTurnPerTile

    OneMoreTurnPerTile Chieftain

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion -25+1=26. 3 governor titles is a lot. +15% to gold, faith and production in a wide empire is a lot.
    Colosseum - 33
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 21
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18-3=15. Hard to believe this is still so high, or even that its still here. Even if you have a wide empire and are suzarien of multiple CS of the same type, you get 15% of a +4 yield? How is that better than the extra gold from Zimbabwe, or the extra hammers from Rhur? With no base yield and after the 3 initial envoys are spent, how many Amanis away are you from losing the meager benefits you're getting?
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 28
    Oxford University - 24
    Potala Palace - 13
    Pyramids - 35
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
  3. marcopolothefraud

    marcopolothefraud Chieftain

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 26
    Colosseum - 33
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 21+1=22 Way more tourism and well worth 2100 hammers.
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 4-3=1 920 hammers for this vs. 105 hammers for a Market/Lighthouse? It also has awkward and situational placing.
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 15
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 28
    Oxford University - 24
    Potala Palace - 13
    Pyramids - 35
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
  4. WillowBrook

    WillowBrook Lurker

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    Wow, I'm gone for five days and Ruhr valley was only eliminated today? I would have helped it go sooner.

    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 26
    Colosseum - 33
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 22
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 1 - 3 = GONE! Sure, it can get you lots of money, but there are many ways to get lots of money, and even if I have a great place for it, I may not want most of my trade routes to start at one city.
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 15
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 28
    Oxford University - 24
    Potala Palace - 13
    Pyramids - 36 (35+1) available early, adds value throughout the game, use useless tile.
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
  5. Xandinho

    Xandinho Emperor

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 26
    Colosseum - 33
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 22
    Forbidden City - 37 (36+1) Very useful wonder for any victory type.
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 15
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 28
    Oxford University - 24
    Potala Palace - 10 (13-3) Again, I never need to care about Diplomatic policies. They seem to be useful only for interaction with City-States.
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
  6. sadsquid

    sadsquid Warlord

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 27 (26+1) 3 governor promotions are very nice and then the bonus to production, faith and gold for non-home continent cities is really great depending on where your cities are. Oh, plus 3 Great Merchant points as the cherry on top.
    Colosseum - 33
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 22
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 15
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 28
    Oxford University - 24
    Potala Palace - 7 (10-3) Built this in my most recent game. Sure, having an extra diplomacy slot is nice I guess, but definitely not as good as the other policy slot types. Pretty average and should probably be the next to go.
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
  7. Archon_Wing

    Archon_Wing Vote for me or die

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 27
    Colosseum - 33
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 22
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 16 (15+1) The 3 envoys it grants is pretty useful at that time.
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 28
    Oxford University - 24
    Potala Palace - 4 (7-3) Diplomatic Cards are very weak before Democracy unless you're America or France. There's like 3 cards worth using (+1 Gold per envoy, first counts as 2 and, Spy Production) and there's no reason to keep 2 of them on constantly unless you think running them with the envoy card (oh, an envoy every 38 turns? Why not just build Kilwa?) would matter. Also overpriced and takes up a hill.
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
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  8. grant2004

    grant2004 Citizen

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 27
    Colosseum - 34 = (33+1) My favorite here, I think it needs a few more up votes to get to an appropriate level.
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 22
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 16
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 28
    Oxford University - 24
    Potala Palace - 1= (4-3) Got to agree, this should be the next to go. I love extra policy cards, but diplomatic cards just aren't as useful, this is as far as a diplomatic card will get you.
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
  9. God of Kings

    God of Kings Ruler of all heads of state

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 27
    Colosseum - 34
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 22 + 1 = 23 Powerful with Public Transport policy card and building Seaside Resorts
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 16
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 28
    Oxford University - 24
    Potala Palace - 1 - 3 = ELIMINATED Only good for Teddy
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
  10. Flaxton

    Flaxton Warlord

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 28 - 27+1 Great if you settled cross continent, especially paired with the right policy cards.
    Colosseum - 34
    Cristo Redentor - 19 = 22-3, Surely only useful for a relic CV win, very situational
    Eiffel Tower - 22
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 16
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 28
    Oxford University - 24
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
  11. Hammurabbit

    Hammurabbit Warlord

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 28
    Colosseum - 35 = 34 + 1 : Helps growing an entire empire, if placed correctly
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 22
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 16
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 28
    Oxford University - 24
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 21 = 24 - 3 : Helps growing a specific city, which is nice, but not game changing.
     
  12. Macedong

    Macedong Chieftain

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 28
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 23 (22+1): This is the best wonder for advancing a victory; spamming seaside resorts is def the best way to get cultural victory
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 16
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 15 (18-3): Ok wonder, but worst of available. Industrial zones are not good and great admirals are also not good
    Oracle - 28
    Oxford University - 24
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  13. Bojevus

    Bojevus Chieftain

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 28
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 16
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 15
    Oracle - 28 + 1 = 29 (Gives you a HUGE running start on a culture victory or just loads you up on early GPs generally)
    Oxford University - 24
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 21 - 3 = 18 (Everything left on the list gives civilization-wide bonuses)
     
  14. Rosty K

    Rosty K King

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    Voting a bit earlier than in 24 hours, but I'm traveling, so I hope I'll be forgiven.

    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 28
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 13 (16 - 3) - Can't believe it's still here and still above Mausoleum. What does it do again? Well, at least Potato is gone.
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16 (15 + 1) - Admirals may be so-so, but Engineers on the other hand...

    Oracle - 29
    Oxford University - 24
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 18
     
  15. eleven11

    eleven11 Warlord

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 29 (28 + 1) - Game changing for wide empires across continental divisions... I've had this thing pump out over 100 GPT
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 10 (13 - 3) - This is really good if you play the delegate game but it's probably the weakest left on the list. Most games you can gain Suzerain-ship of a couple CS and that's really all you need.
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 28
    Oxford University - 24
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 21

    Just want to state that Temple of Artemis provides amenities as an empire-wide bonus... and sometimes a quite large boost too.. How does +8 Amenities sound to you?
     
  16. Amrunril

    Amrunril Emperor

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 26 (29 - 3) My impression is that additional governor titles are starting to have diminished returns by the time this comes around, as you've already had the chance to select your highest priority ones. As for the continent bonus, I'd say that if you're in a position to benefit from this, you're usually (unless you started right by a border) well on your way to winning already.
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 10
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 29 correcting missed vote
    Oxford University - 24
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 19 (18 + 1, correcting missed vote) This bonus is just as widespread as the Colosseum's, since its amenities are distributed to the cities with the actual tile improvements (and for either wonder, this frees up luxury amenities to be used elsewhere). And it isn't hard to find a place where this will give more amenities than the Colosseum.
     
  17. BenitoChavez

    BenitoChavez Whispering Walrus

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratacion - 26
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 7 = 10 - 3. The requirements to get a lot of value out of this are too restrictive. It's difficult to be the suzerain of many city states, especially when the AI conquers them anyways.
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 29
    Oxford University - 24
    Pyramids - 37 = 36 + 1. Every victory condition needs builders and an extra builder charge means you can build more improvements for less hammers. Seems good.
    Temple of Artemis - 19
     
  18. Trav'ling Canuck

    Trav'ling Canuck Deity

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    Big Ben - 32 (31 + 1) This one's tricky, because there's an opportunity cost to not spending gold to save it up for the doubling, but used correctly can get you all the gold you need to buy Research Labs, a Space Port, and all the Builders you need to finish the space projects quickly. And after a successful emergency, Big Ben's downright broken, but you can't plan on that.
    Casa de Contratacion - 26
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 7
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 29
    Oxford University - 24
    Pyramids - 34 (37 - 4) I'm not completely buying the Pyramids love. Post R&F, either most of your Builders will be bought with 6 charges or you'll have enough gold that you can buy Builders without worrying about extra charges from Liang or Policies. With Pyramids, you can get 42 charges from 6 Builders, which without Pyramids will cost you 7 Builders. How many Builders do you actually save over the course of a full game? I'd guess 2 on average, maybe 4 at the top end. Then throw the free Builder from the Pyramids on top of that and the Wonder saves you maybe 3 to 5 Builder purchases a game which is, what, about 1,000 gold if you don't buy a lot of Builders, or 3,000 gold if you do? Better than a lot of Wonders but not as important for victory as the remaining Wonders, I don't think, because Builders aren't a limited quantity like sources of Amenities, Tourists, etc., and Builders just aren't that expensive to buy more of when you need them.
    Temple of Artemis - 19
     
  19. Forster

    Forster Prince

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    Big Ben - 29 (Comes really too late for most games played.
    Casa de Contratacion - 26
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 7
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 29
    Oxford Univer4
    Pyramids - 35 (34 + 1) I think this is worth a lot more than 2 - 4 extra worker equivalent.
    Temple of Artemis - 19
     
  20. kingofsealand

    kingofsealand Warlord

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    Big Ben - 29
    Casa de Contratacion - 26
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 4 (7-3) not bad especially if you've got bonuses to controlling CSes like Tamar but the weakest of the bunch remaining.
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 17 (16+1) true industry zones aren't great, but the admiral bonus is valuable in its own right. It's a gamble but get the ironclad spawner plus the fleet maker and no coast is safe. I would say that strategy works half the time I build this.
    Oracle - 29
    Oxford University - 24
    Pyramids - 35
    Temple of Artemis - 19
     
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