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World Wonder Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by HoorayForSiam, May 16, 2018.

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  1. BarbarianHunter

    BarbarianHunter King

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    Big Ben – 29
    Casa de Contratacion - 26
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 4
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 17
    Oracle - 29
    Oxford University - 24
    Pyramids – 32 (35-3) --- I think this wonder is overrated. Give me something I can’t have by normal means.
    Temple of Artemis – 20 (19+1) --- Comes early enough for profound and lasting empire wide benefits. All that food for population and higher housing cap allows utilization of production tiles. Add a double promotion Magnus and you have a barb camp of your own, but instead of producing barbs, it produces settlers…snowball...

    Later, I like to use the higher population cap (and production) in conjunction with an encampment district for more added value (this time from your neighbors).
     
  2. Timothy001

    Timothy001 Prince

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    Big Ben - 29
    Casa de Contratacion - 26
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 1 (4-3) --- Not always a great value
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 17
    Oracle - 29
    Oxford University - 24
    Pyramids - 32
    Temple of Artemis - 21 (20+1) --- Can be used for a nice snowball
     
  3. Zyxpsilon

    Zyxpsilon Running Spider

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    Big Ben - 29
    Casa de Contratacion - 26
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 0 (1-3) ELIMINATED! Envoys do have some value (when stacked correctly).. except that most of the Suzerain bonuses (must get above 6) are very situational.
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 17
    Oracle - 30 (29+1) At an early cost of only 290 & properly located .. various GP types (+2 Points each!) are key to focusing on a Victory from whatever city that also host Pingala.
    Oxford University - 24
    Pyramids - 32
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
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  4. Eliminator_Sr

    Eliminator_Sr Prince

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    Big Ben - 29
    Casa de Contratacion - 26
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 23
    Forbidden City - 37
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 17
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University: 24 - 3 = 21 (I'm puzzled as to why this one is so high. It's decent but not top 10 material. Kilwa can net you 30% science and culture in ALL cities and is clearly better IMO)
    Pyramids - 32 + 1 = 33 (It gives you builder charges on existing builders and a full builder at the most crucial time well before Feudalism when they are much more valuable and every charge counts in a big way. The extra charge on new builders is really just the icing on the cake but I definitely notice the difference. The only real drawback is the desert requirement o/w it's a no brainer and pays instant dividends with major snowball potential)
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  5. Leathaface

    Leathaface Emperor

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    Big Ben - 29
    Casa de Contratacion - 26
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 19
    Eiffel Tower - 24 (23 + 1) Very useful when going for Culture victories.
    Forbidden City - 37
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 14 (17 -3 ) Great admirals are utterly useless and Industrial Zones are very low on my district list unless i'm playing as Germany. Why is this wonder still around??? I'm gonna downvote till it's gone.
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University: 21
    Pyramids - 33
    Temple of Artemis - 21

    PS: Regards Ruhr Valley. Good luck having to use 3 governor promotions to allow Reyna to purchase districts, then 7K Gold to purchase the space port. Then having to build/purchase builders to help Spaceship parts. Oh and the requisite of having a Tier 3 Government building.
     
  6. Lily_Lancer

    Lily_Lancer Deity

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    Big Ben - 29
    Casa de Contratacion - 26
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 16=19-3 Way too late. Also in CV people go computers first, then auto-win, making this wonder no way.
    Eiffel Tower - 24
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 4
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 17
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University - 21
    Pyramids - 34=33+1 Give this one a point
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  7. Stomper66

    Stomper66 Warlord

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    Big Ben - 29
    Casa de Contratacion - 27 (26+1) Build as Spain or England and create 3 late game supercities on another continent. The merchant points are also great.
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 16
    Eiffel Tower - 24
    Forbidden City - 37
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 1 (4-3) Surezain cities are rare late game as the AI nearly always takes them out.
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 14
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University - 21
    Pyramids - 34
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
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  8. Zyxpsilon

    Zyxpsilon Running Spider

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    @Stomper66 ..
    You probably wrote your content based on Page #16 standings. Please fix!

    @Lily_Lancer ..
    Actually is.. Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 14
    ;)
     
  9. Xandinho

    Xandinho Deity

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    Big Ben - 30 (29+1) Gold helps for any kind of victory, and this wonder is very powerful.
    Casa de Contratacion - 26
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 16
    Eiffel Tower - 24
    Forbidden City - 37
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 14
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University - 18 (21-3) It's a good wonder, but I never need to build wonders to stay ahead in science, the scientific victory has been the easiest for me. This seems to be a wonder for Cultural/Religious players who are behind in the scientific race.
    Pyramids - 34
    Temple of Artemis - 21

    Updating the list. And I will ignore Stomper66' votes, because he gave a downvote to a wonder already eliminated, and he has not corrected until now.
     
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  10. Stomper66

    Stomper66 Warlord

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    Sorry for the mess up I haven't been on this thread for a few days. All I do is copy and paste the post before mine and Kilwa was on that post.

    Big Ben - 30
    Casa de Contratacion - 27 (26+1) Same reason as before
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 16
    Eiffel Tower - 21 (24-3) It's good but the Chateaux and Pairidaeza can easily improve tile appeal
    Forbidden City - 37
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 14
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University - 18
    Pyramids - 34
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  11. WillowBrook

    WillowBrook Lurker

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    Big Ben - 30
    Casa de Contratacion - 27
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 16
    Eiffel Tower - 21
    Forbidden City - 37
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 14
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University - 15 (18 - 3) it's good, but not top-ten good
    Pyramids - 35 (34+1) I mostly agree with the current order of scores, but think the extra builder charges from fairly early outweigh the extra policy slot from at least half way through the game.
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  12. Maquis

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    Big Ben - 30
    Casa de Contratacion - 27
    Colosseum - 35
    Cristo Redentor - 16 -3 = 13 (Comes too late and too narrow a focus to be a top 10 wonder)
    Eiffel Tower - 21
    Forbidden City - 37 + 1 = 38 (Extra wildcard slot)
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 14
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University - 15
    Pyramids - 35
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  13. The Highwayman

    The Highwayman Prince

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    Big Ben - 30
    Casa de Contratacion - 27
    Colosseum - 36 (35+1) Better than Artemis, with no need to rush this. No camp required in cap/first expand.
    Cristo Redentor - 13
    Eiffel Tower - 21
    Forbidden City - 37 + 1 = 38
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 11 (14-3) No IZs, no GE points, no GEs. GAs, who cares?
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University - 15
    Pyramids - 35
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  14. Archon_Wing

    Archon_Wing Vote for me or die

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    Big Ben - 30
    Casa de Contratacion - 27
    Colosseum - 36
    Cristo Redentor - 13
    Eiffel Tower - 21
    Forbidden City - 38
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 8 (11-3) Another of those "stars align" wonders. Great Admirals have crappy abilities. And so do most Great Engineers besides wonders and space. But building a wonder to build other wonders faster makes no sense and the Space ones are kinda far down the line and rarely decisive anymore. And of course you need to get the Engineers too.
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University - 16 (15+1) The two free techs can be haphazard but it can catapult people ahead at a decisive time, or let one catch up when behind.
    Pyramids - 35
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  15. Boyan_Sun

    Boyan_Sun Warlord

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    Big Ben - 30
    Casa de Contratacion - 27
    Colosseum - 36
    Cristo Redentor - 13
    Eiffel Tower - 18 (21-3) Remember it is R&F now. Steel tech was tooooo late, no time for this wonder, even south pole station can be earlier than it. Now science is the bottleneck, not gold. If you want to use neighborhood trick, Big Ben is a better choice - much earlier, more gold, similar cost.
    Forbidden City - 38
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 8
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University - 17 (16+1) Another gambling wonder! (In fact it can 100% hit, with some tech tree control) And very useful in OCC (science/culture victory)~
    Pyramids - 35
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  16. Macedong

    Macedong Chieftain

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    Big Ben - 30
    Casa de Contratacion - 27
    Colosseum - 36
    Cristo Redentor - 13
    Eiffel Tower - 19 (18+1): I think tourism is the bottleneck for cultural victories, and this can generate massive tourism for seaside resorts
    Forbidden City - 38
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 5 (8-3): Industrial zones still not worth building and gambling for a free ironclad or battleship, pass.
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University - 17
    Pyramids - 35
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  17. BenitoChavez

    BenitoChavez Whispering Walrus

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    Big Ben - 30
    Casa de Contratacion - 27
    Colosseum - 36
    Cristo Redentor - 10 = 13 - 3. It's amazing for cultural victories but mostly useless otherwise. I think we are at the point where being amazing 1/4th of the time isn't going to cut it.
    Eiffel Tower - 19
    Forbidden City - 38
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 5
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University - 17
    Pyramids - 36 = 35 + 1. It only saves ~3 builders over the course of a game if you have a small empire (10 cities avg pop 10 per city), do little chopping, and make all your builders with Liang and the +2 builder charge policy card. If you don't do one of those things it's going to save you more. If you don't do all of those things it's going to save you a lot more. I'd estimate 9-10 builders saved for a medium-large empire (20 cities avg pop 15 per city), do a lot of chopping, and make most but not all of your builders with Liang and +2 builder charge policy. There is also the added advantage of being able to work an improved tile sooner with each builder (w/o Pyramids a builder can improve 3 tiles base, so you have to wait for another builder to be made before you can improve a 4th tile. w/ Pyramids you don't have to wait for a 2nd builder).
    Temple of Artemis - 21
     
  18. eleven11

    eleven11 Warlord

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    Big Ben - 30
    Casa de Contratacion - 27
    Colosseum - 36
    Cristo Redentor - 7 (10-3) - Meh, as someone noted the more efficient path is Computers. It's a niche wonder.. requires wide with lots of relics.
    Eiffel Tower - 19
    Forbidden City - 38
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 5
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University - 17
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 22 (21+1) - This needs some love. Sure, even with chops it's probably a 40% shot to get it on Deity (also need the camp) but it's almost guaranteed on lower difficulties. If you do land it you can get +4-9 amenities and start spitting out settlers.. And that is the power... early expansion and builder efficiency. Colosseum what?
     
  19. Trav'ling Canuck

    Trav'ling Canuck Deity

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    Big Ben - 30
    Casa de Contratacion - 27
    Colosseum - 36
    Cristo Redentor - 7
    Eiffel Tower - 19
    Forbidden City - 39 (38 + 1) I haven't upvoted this yet, so will do so today as I've already upvoted the rest of my personal top 3.
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 2 (5 - 3) Time to clear out some of the hangers on, so we can get on with the real debate, like why people overvalue the Pyramids. I've already made my opening point on that topic with my downvote yesterday, so for today I'll downvote the Mausoleum. It's a nice Wonder, but with the exception of the Pyramids, everything else left on the list does something more useful than this.
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University - 17
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 22
     
  20. BarbarianHunter

    BarbarianHunter King

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    Big Ben - 30
    Casa de Contratacion - 27
    Colosseum – 37 (36+1) --- The best wonder, hands down.
    Cristo Redentor - 7
    Eiffel Tower - 19
    Forbidden City – 39
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus – ELIMINATED. Everything else does do something more useful than this.
    Oracle - 30
    Oxford University - 17
    Pyramids - 36
    Temple of Artemis - 22
     
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