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World Wonder Elimination Thread

Discussion in 'Civ6 - General Discussions' started by HoorayForSiam, May 16, 2018.

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  1. Maquis

    Maquis King

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 30
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 20
    Forbidden City - 34 + 1 = 35 (Extra policy slot that can be used for anything. Always useful.)
    Great Zimbabwe - 10
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 26
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 19
    Pyramids - 37
    Ruhr Valley - 13
    St. Basils Cathedral - 13 - 3 = 10 (Too situational. Religious tourism just never feels worth it, even when going for a CV)
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 7
     
  2. Xandinho

    Xandinho Deity

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 30
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 20
    Forbidden City - 35
    Great Zimbabwe - 10
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 27 (26+1) Very flexible for any victory type.
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16 (19-3) I don't care much about diplomatic policies.
    Pyramids - 37
    Ruhr Valley - 14 The Zyxpsilon's upvote was dropped. So, I fixed it.
    St. Basils Cathedral - 10
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 7
     
  3. Leathaface

    Leathaface Emperor

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 30
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 20
    Forbidden City - 35
    Great Zimbabwe - 10
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 37
    Ruhr Valley - 15 (14 + 1) Very good for Scientific victories, plus useful in total 3/4 victory types.
    St. Basils Cathedral - 10
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 4 (7 - 3) If you are a warmonger, you should be capturing wonders and not building them.
     
  4. Archon_Wing

    Archon_Wing Vote for me or die

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 30
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 20
    Forbidden City - 35
    Great Zimbabwe - 10- 3 = 7 Honestly, one of the most gimmicky wonders in the whole game. It's cool when it works I guess. But you still need to devote a spy. to babysit it which is its own problem.
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 37
    Ruhr Valley - 15
    St. Basils Cathedral - 10+1= 11 Situational, but still has multiple uses.
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 4
     
  5. grant2004

    grant2004 Citizen

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 31 = (30+1) Definitely deserves to be in the top 5. I love the area of effect on the amenities and culture. Requiring an arena is a plus in my book because it means you need to plan ahead for this wonder, something the AI doesn't do, allowing you to snag it reliably.
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 20
    Forbidden City - 35
    Great Zimbabwe - 7
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 37
    Ruhr Valley - 15
    St. Basils Cathedral - 8= (11-3) Not strong enough to last much longer. I really am not all that interested in tundra cities to begin with. I guess this can be nice if you're stuck with one and have to find some way to do something with it.
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 4
     
  6. Amrunril

    Amrunril Emperor

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    Ruhr Valley might pay for itself a bit faster than I'm giving it credit for, but I don't see those numbers as being at all plausible. The wonder costs 1240 production, so to pay for itself in 25 turns, it would need to increase a city's production by 49.6. To pay for itself in 10, it would need to increase it by 124.

    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 31
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 20
    Forbidden City - 35
    Great Zimbabwe - 8 (7 + 1) Placing this wonder perfectly is difficult, but placing it well enough to get 8-10 gold per trade route is actually pretty easy. That's enough to let you be miserable in a gorram lot of comfort. It's enough that you could swap out triangular trade and come out ahead by 4-6 gold per turn and a policy slot.
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 34 (37 - 3) I'd never be disappointed to have this, but I don't think it's particularly game changing. Once feudalism comes around, most of my builders are going to be starting with 5 charges (or 6 with Liang), which really drives down the value of charges from other sources.
    Ruhr Valley - 15
    St. Basils Cathedral - 8
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 4
     
    Last edited: May 29, 2018
  7. Zyxpsilon

    Zyxpsilon Running Spider

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    Nope... it simply means that when a city has a total production of about 124/per turn after building Ruhr Valley (including its newly added 20% + any Mines) -- 10 turns is all it takes to "refund" it. Such a highly productive city (specially Capitals) are pretty common once anyone can put focus on this goal as early as an Industrial era start.

    PS; Moderators.. sorry for the interruption but that needed immediate clarification since that current dropped-at *15* scoring is totally weird, IMHO.
     
  8. Pietato

    Pietato Platonic Perfection

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    Was not planning to post again, but the misinformation surrounding Ruhr Valley pulled me back.

    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 31
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 20
    Forbidden City - 36 - I never miss it.
    Great Zimbabwe - 8
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 34
    Ruhr Valley - 12 - Not a good wonder. Needed for nothing now that science is about gold and builders. It does NOT 'refund' itself in 10 turns or whatever, because your city would still be producing without it.
    St. Basils Cathedral - 8
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 4
     
  9. Lily_Lancer

    Lily_Lancer Deity

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 31
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 20
    Forbidden City - 35
    Great Zimbabwe - 8
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 34
    Ruhr Valley - 12=15-3 It has to increase you prod by 62 in order to pay for itself in 20 turns, which means you need 310 base production in that city. Totally ridiculous.
    St. Basils Cathedral - 8
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 5=4+1 Of course this is better than Rhur Valley, just because everything is better than that nonsense.
     
  10. Flaxton

    Flaxton Warlord

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    Correcting missed voting

    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 32 = 31 +1, culture and efficiency through high amenity.
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 20
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 8
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 34
    Ruhr Valley - 9
    St. Basils Cathedral - 5 = 8-3, - Only for Russia :)
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 5
     
  11. BenitoChavez

    BenitoChavez Whispering Walrus

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 32
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 20
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 8
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 34
    Ruhr Valley - 10 = 9 + 1. Same reason as last time
    St. Basils Cathedral - 5
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 2 = 5 - 3. Same reason as last time
     
  12. Trav'ling Canuck

    Trav'ling Canuck Deity

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 32
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 21 (20 + 1) Materially speeds up a Cultural Victory, and as an ancillary benefit increases the amount of gold from the Public Transportation policy, especially since the buff to that policy.
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 8
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 34
    Ruhr Valley - 7 (10 - 3) The last of the "vanity" Wonders. By the time you can build it, there's nothing you need to build with hammers. Pre R&F, was useful for science victories. Post R&F, Reyna + National Society let you finish Space Ports and space projects with gold, just like you're using gold for the other few things you need at this point in the game. "Stuff" just isn't that important to winning the late game of Civ, making this Wonder just about building things for the sake of building them.
    St. Basils Cathedral - 5
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 2
     
  13. kingofsealand

    kingofsealand Warlord

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 32
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 21
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 9 (8+1)truly great! Gold provides more options than ever for winning considering you can outright buy any district type with Reyna, plus builders to contribute to science victory. Or buildings. Or units. Or great people. Plus, your gold production is all stacked in a single city. Plan ahead, plant a spy there early, and you will never lose gold to the AI.
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 16
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 34
    Ruhr Valley - 4= (7 - 3) I strongly agree with others yes this can give you a nice production boost but how much are you paying for that boost? If you beeline for this and rush it with GEs maybe it is worthwhile, but no way will it pay itself back for chops or raw production in the average game considering the info age rarely gets played out.
    St. Basils Cathedral - 5
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - 2
     
  14. Rosty K

    Rosty K King

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 32
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 21
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 9
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 17 (16 + 1) - This is better than potato, and Great Engineers with extra charges are, um, great.
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 34
    Ruhr Valley - 4 - quite weird that this will go out before Potala...
    St. Basils Cathedral - 5
    Temple of Artemis - 24
    Terracotta Army - -1 (2 - 3) - ELIMINATED. Well, at least it goes before Ruhr. May be a good one for warmongers, but I'm a peaceful guy. Also, the effect is kinda one-time. Archaeologist open borders is no big deal, and GG points aren't that useful if you are not warring.
     
  15. Zyxpsilon

    Zyxpsilon Running Spider

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 32
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 21
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 6 (9-3) Cattle + Commercial Hub placement == Some Trade Routes boosting + 2 Great Merchant Points. That should put it in a triplet race for the next elimination gambit. How weird. :confused:
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 17
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 34
    Ruhr Valley - 5 (4+1) Yeah :sarcasm: .. its now tied with some exclusively Religious absurdity and still barely escaped the Terracotta Army auto-promotions (which i rationally get from true Combat for the core Units anyway) candy toy -- Conclusion? Funny how a small gang (( Denounced! :) )) can destroy that Top-15 potential in a coordinated agenda of just two days!
    St. Basils Cathedral - 5
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
  16. eleven11

    eleven11 Warlord

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 32
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 21
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 6
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18 (17+1) - With the right strategy.. with the right strategy... all of the Wonders are like that I guess. But, with the right strategy (maximize GEP), +1 charge engineers make this wonder worth it all by itself. A bonus is you can generally let it hard build by itself while you let your port city grow since the AI doesn't build this usually until very late.
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 34
    Ruhr Valley - 5
    St. Basils Cathedral - 2 (5-2) - Religious tourism would be great, if it wasn't for that pesky Enlightenment. Relic slots require you to suicide apostles. The tundra tile bonuses are good though. Overall, blech.
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
    Last edited: May 30, 2018
  17. Kimiimaro

    Kimiimaro King

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 32
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 21
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 6+1=7 - Gold is always good.
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 34
    Ruhr Valley - 5
    St. Basils Cathedral - 2-3=-1 (ELIMINATED) - Not entirely bad, but I'm not fan of Relics.
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
  18. Forster

    Forster Prince

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 32+1= 33 Love not having to worry about amenities.
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 21
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 7-3+ 4 Hassle to get it right.
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 34
    Ruhr Valley - 5
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
  19. Eliminator_Sr

    Eliminator_Sr Prince

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 33
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 21
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 34 + 1 = 35 (It's hard to beat extra builder charges - they are still very important in the early game. The impact diminishes over time but it lasts all game so still great IMO. I think it's the best wonder overall)
    Ruhr Valley - 5 - 3 = 2 (One of the worst wonders in the game now IMO - survived for way too long. I'm basically buying everything with gold by the time it comes around)
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
  20. Maquis

    Maquis King

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    Big Ben - 31
    Casa de Contratación - 25
    Colosseum - 33
    Cristo Redentor - 22
    Eiffel Tower - 21
    Forbidden City - 36
    Great Zimbabwe - 4
    Kilwa Kisiwani - 18
    Mausoleum at Halicarnassus - 18
    Oracle - 27
    Oxford University - 23 + 1 = 24 (Free techs, not just eurekas)
    Potala Palace - 16
    Pyramids - 35
    Ruhr Valley - 2 - 3 = -1 (ELIMINATED) (As others have said, made obsolete in R&F with Reyna and the ability to use builders to finish projects)
    Temple of Artemis - 24
     
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