Rashiminos
Fool Prophet
Down with socialism !
Spoiler :
Nevada can pretty much hang their hats on legalized gambling.
New Jersey can do the same with pharmaceuticals.
Would the GOP types push the USA into default ?
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Nevada can pretty much hang their hats on legalized gambling.
New Jersey can do the same with pharmaceuticals.
Oh really?
http://watchdog.org/109045/healthy-young-key-to-obamacare-arent-buying-it/
It's going to be tough on the young adults who aren't on a parent's plan.
Have to buy it. Have to pay triple for it. Or go without and pay $700 starting in 3 years. (Probably less, the article exaggerates here a little I think)
Hopefully they can make it to $11,500 each year to qualify for the subsidy.
And can swing that 1st year before the subsidy can start help paying for next year's premiums.
Always a pleasure debating with you.
Some real sharp people on this forum for sure.
You do realize that their alternative is to never see a doctor at all, right?
KMRblue1027
Deity
What is your point here?
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Yeah. Compromised.
Now that the price for them is doubling or tripling, I guess we'll find out if doctors still take cash.
Is there an option for catastrophic-only coverage below the Bronze Plan that means you won't have to pay the penalty?
1935 compromise
http://www.ssa.gov/history/tally.html
1965 compromise
http://www.ssa.gov/history/tally65.html
1972 compromise
http://www.ssa.gov/history/tally1972a.html
1996 compromise
http://www.ssa.gov/history/tally1996.html
2009 no compromise
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/111-2010/h165
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/111-2009/s396
Every single major change in American society in the last century has had good bipartisan support, except one.
The GOP wasn't consulted in any meaningful way in the process at all. The fact the process took as long as it did was due to overcoming opposition from the now largely extinct Blue Dog Democratic caucus.
The Republicans refuses to be consulted in any meaningful way. 100% of the choice here was made by Republicans only.
The penalty is trivial. And you seem to be forgetting the subsidies for low income people.
Your own biases are coloring your perception of reality here Cutlass.
KMRblue1027
Deity
Not really. The whole Republican party refused to even open talks with Obama the the Dems. There couldn't be a compromise if one party refused to even show up.
Actually, if Boehner puts what the Dems want on the floor of the House it will pass both chambers.
Citation needed.
It seems odd to claim that there could be no compromise between the parties when there had been a health care bill kicking around Congress for 2 years already with co-sponsors in both parties. It was jettisoned in favor of the ACA.
I'm more interested in why there hasn't been a budget in 5 years. These ridiculous CR's are getting really tiresome.
I'm still not seeing any evidence to back your position. Smilies while cute don't exactly contribute much of value to an argument.Look who's talking?
Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
And the Oscar, for the best staged photo-op in 2013, goes to ...
As I said, from stupidity to damage control.
Try looking at the real world. Everyone knows that the Republicans refused to be a part of the process. It's not like you can even pretend to say otherwise and not expect to be laughed at. For you to even try to say otherwise just tells me that you would rather parrot partisan lies than actually discuss the subject.
If everyone knows it then it should be easy for you to provide some sort of evidence to that end. If that request offends your delicate sensibilities, perhaps should take a long hard look in the mirror before accusing someone of being more interested in spouting partisan lies rather than discussing the subject at hand.
KMRblue1027
Deity
Maybe you should pay attention to the topic. We're talking about the original ACA negotiation not the budget. Completely different circumstances.
Because there is no point when they are holding something that is already a law hostage and don't even want to pass real budget already? Plus when still have the debt ceiling to deal with. Also what JR said.
Read the wiki article on the history of the ACA and healthcare during the Obama Administration. Anything about the public option was immediately threatened with the filibuster by the Republican minority in the Senate. So when they finally ended their pissing contest the joint committee made the ACA the problematic mess it is. The House made a few bills that basically did nothing what so ever.
