Would you give your employer your facebook password if asked?

The other point that bears emphasizing is that this practice effectively allows prospective employers to do an end-run around laws that prevent them from asking certain questions about you directly in an interview. For example: your family status, religious beliefs, politics, medical history, or sexual orientation. Much of this information is likely to be available to our friends on social networks, but typically not something they can ethically or legally consider in determining whether or not to hire you.

Yep, I said earlier that if you really wanted to be a jerk, you could take the company doing the hiring to court, after they check out your facebook profile and do not give you the job.

The implication is that they found out your sexual orientation, religion, ethnic background, or whatever - things that they are not allowed to ask during the employee seeking process.. for a reason. Since they now have this information and they did not give you a job - you could give them a lot of headaches, if you wanted to, by taking them to court over it.

Of course nobody is actually going to go through with that, or.. heck, maybe somebody one day will? Who knows. Most people won't though and I'm sure that's why companies keep pushing it
 
My Facebook account isn't in my real name, so I effectively don't have one at an interview. Then again, I don't use it anyway, so I don't really have one at all, alias or otherwise.
 
Before I get to these, one quick distinction. It doesn't look like anybody is actually defending giving up a password anymore. You are all correct that it is against the Facebok ToS. I think I had misread the OP a little.

The broader question, and the general principal of the OP I suspect, is whether you would show a facebook page, even if it was "private" in an interview if asked. I.E I'm not your FB friend but I'd like you to pull up your page real quick so I can verify your picture isn't you doing a kegstand or spouting racist stuff.



If the job would involve you using your personal facebook account, and that ends up being tied to the company on a day to day basis, then I see that as the only legitimate reason for somebody asking you to log into your facebook account and show that the content is not objectionable in some way.

But how many jobs like that exist? Your initial OP seems to ask the question in a much much broader context.
It isn't super uncommon in marketing. Creating multiple FB accounts for the same person is also a technical violation of the Facebok ToS. You're right though, there aren't very many.

I can think of a few industries where people will still want to ask though, especially related to politics or campaigns, because that stuff *can* come back and damage a candidate.
If your job description involves managing a firm's facebook account, or their social networking accounts in general, why would that make their asking for your account information legitimate? It's rather like asking for the key to someone's personal post office box because their job is to check the firm's own post box -- or am I not understanding your meaning?
So let's strike away the asking for the password bit, and limit it looking at the account. The idea around asking to see it 1) verifies that you know how to manage an account and develop followers over time, and 2) shows that you can be trusted to operate an account with good judgement (i.e you're not posting racist or farmville every 7 seconds)
What level clearence? I've never heard of that before.
To be honest, I don't remember the title, and since it was a state job, it might have had a different name?

I worked for a state AG office handling documents that were used for organized crime investigations. I remember the process took 2 months, and involved them checking my FB account, interviewing all of my landlords, credit and transcript checks.
If they want to make sure you know how to use FB, just go there and make a "test" account that will be deleted immediately after you prove you know how to do it. That way there's no privacy to invade, since the account would exist for only a few minutes. And even then, don't give them the damn password you use.
Making a "burner" account is also a violation of the Facebook ToS, and would also not provide any useful information at all. Professionally managing a facebook account has nothing to do with knowing where the Events button is. It's about your proficiency in publishing and curating content over time. That could only be proved by showing an account that you manage.


Excellent question. Downtown, if I were considering hiring you, would you give me the keys to your house/apartment? Just so I could inspect the contents, make sure you know how to use everything and that you have nothing objectionable... And I TOTALLY promise not to do anything mean with the information I learn about you, your family, your friends, and your acquaintances!
No, because I don't publish the contents of my apartment on the entire internet, and there is nothing in there that could be related to really any job description. If you'd like though, you can ask to drug test me.

That analogy doesn't make sense.
 
Since this violates Facebook's rules and Terms of Service/Usage how would affect future events to your benefit.

Can you break your new employer’s rules since they have set a precedent by asking you to break your agreement with Facebook.

No one seems to have commented on this aspect.

For example when you leave that employment could you ignore any confidentiality agreement and have a good chance of winning any court case.
 
Making a "burner" account is also a violation of the Facebook ToS, and would also not provide any useful information at all. Professionally managing a facebook account has nothing to do with knowing where the Events button is. It's about your proficiency in publishing and curating content over time. That could only be proved by showing an account that you manage.
In that case, would a blog not be more informative, and a far lesser invasion of privacy? For example - using myself - it takes no talent whatsoever to post to Facebook that I just bought a specific Doctor Who dvd or some book on Amazon. But it would take some measure of talent to write a blog post reviewing that dvd or book.

No, because I don't publish the contents of my apartment on the entire internet, and there is nothing in there that could be related to really any job description. If you'd like though, you can ask to drug test me.

That analogy doesn't make sense.
Yes, it does make sense. What would you have in your personal Facebook account that would relate to your job description?

And yeah, some people really do act like they have to update every damn trivial detail of their lives, whether on Facebook or Twitter.
 
1) verifies that you know how to manage an account and develop followers over time

I don't think Facebook is a good medium for this, I've got an actual website that I use to show off content that I'm happy to show them. Facebook is basically a fancy IM platform, I don't particularly want to show them my Skype or ICQ accounts either.
 
So let's strike away the asking for the password bit, and limit it looking at the account. The idea around asking to see it 1) verifies that you know how to manage an account and develop followers over time, and 2) shows that you can be trusted to operate an account with good judgement (i.e you're not posting racist or farmville every 7 seconds)

In that case, I think the hiring manager is approaching the problem from the wrong angle. Someone's personal account should not be an indicator that someone can 'develop followers over time'; while a business wants to maximize its followers/friends, individual users don't. People are often given to purging people from their lists, and complaining about relative strangers trying to add them.

As far as trust goes, wanting employees with good judgment is perfectly understandable, but would a firm give the keys to their image on social networking to a new hire solely on the basis of their personal account? If someone was applying for such a position, then they should have other experience to demonstrate to the employers. If they don't, then I suppose their personal account is their only option, and they should expect it.

Although I am not at all comfortable with employers combing people's facebook pages for any errant bit of information -- again, it reminds me of going through someone's mail -- these pages are publicly available, and how people present themselves in public does speak to their judgment, which is a legitimate concern for those doing the hiring.
 
The idea that there are people who think that using facebook accounts as a way to measure "proficiency and in publishing and curating content over time" is an okay thing to do makes me so angry right now.
 
The other point that bears emphasizing is that this practice effectively allows prospective employers to do an end-run around laws that prevent them from asking certain questions about you directly in an interview. For example: your family status, religious beliefs, politics, medical history, or sexual orientation. Much of this information is likely to be available to our friends on social networks, but typically not something they can ethically or legally consider in determining whether or not to hire you.

This problem goes way beyond Facebook. If our privacy keeps diminishing then this is just the beginning. Unless you completely conform someone will eventually find a way to punish you for a belief you have. I believe the euphemism for this forced conformity is "accountability."

I still don't think 98% of people understand what is meant when they hear the phrase "privacy is dead."

The idea that there are people who think that using facebook accounts as a way to measure "proficiency and in publishing and curating content over time" is an okay thing to do makes me so angry right now.

Again, just the beginning. This kind of nonsense is going to get worse, not better.
 
"I apologize, but I do not believe my personality would fit well with your organizational culture. I would like to thank you for interviewing me and appreciate the time you've put in."

Maybe throw in a few more compliments, something something "I can see it is an excellent workplace, but..."
 
That's the question. If these things continue, you might be unhireable without a Facebook account.
 
"I apologize, but I do not believe my personality would fit well with your organizational culture. I would like to thank you for interviewing me and appreciate the time you've put in."

Maybe throw in a few more compliments, something something "I can see it is an excellent workplace, but..."
Why beat around the bush? Just say, "If you expect me to violate Facebook's password confidentiality rules, how could you trust me not to violate this company's confidentiality rules?"

This is why I suggested that for some employers, it may be a test of character, not whether somebody knows how to post a picture, play games, and what they "like."
 
The idea that there are people who think that using facebook accounts as a way to measure "proficiency and in publishing and curating content over time" is an okay thing to do makes me so angry right now.
I don't really see a problem with that. My mom works for a youth intervention program and she is in charge of their facebook page they use to put out information regarding workshops, rallies, promotional material, fundraising campaigns, and relevant news/research.
It is an essentially free way to reach a large number of people and maintain awareness. I can't think of a reason an organization, especially a non-profit dependent upon donations and awareness, would not want to use facebook like that.
 
But did your mom have to hand over her password to her own private Facebook account in order to get hired in the first place? That's the argument here, not whether Facebook is useful in and of itself.
 
That's the question. If these things continue, you might be unhireable without a Facebook account.

And Leoreth nails it. Have a cigar :)

If you're part of the last .05% of the population who refuses to use Facebook ( and I am sure I will be ) then what will the FBI think? What will employers think? What will potential dates think?

For me abstaining from social networking is a deeply personal conviction and has a real political significance, but I have no doubt that many of my fellow "last ditch" abstainers will be budding serial killers and such.

Not on facebook, so not an issue. :smug:

Neither am I, but the pressure to join is getting stronger every year. I wonder if interacting with the www will even be practical without Facebook in a decade.
 
I don't really see a problem with that. My mom works for a youth intervention program and she is in charge of their facebook page they use to put out information regarding workshops, rallies, promotional material, fundraising campaigns, and relevant news/research.
It is an essentially free way to reach a large number of people and maintain awareness. I can't think of a reason an organization, especially a non-profit dependent upon donations and awareness, would not want to use facebook like that.
I think there's a misunderstanding. If you want to use Facebook to distribute information at your own will I'm all for it.

My point is that as soon as checking Facebook accounts to judge job applicants becomes common practice whatever I'll do with my account stops being private. I would either have to view everything I do on this site (again, which in this situation I wish to use to live my private life, communicate with friends and associating with who I want) from the perspective of how a potential employer might see my activity?

I don't have a Facebook account exactly because of this sort of self-display which for my tastes already goes too far in normal interpersonal relations for many people, but I really don't want to worry that I don't have enough Facebook friends so some employer might conclude that I have poor skills of building personal relations or similar human resources crap.
 
I would either have to view everything I do on this site (again, which in this situation I wish to use to live my private life, communicate with friends and associating with who I want) from the perspective of how a potential employer might see my activity?

This is precisely what the people pushing the social networking culture want from you Leoreth. I am sorry if that makes me sound like a nut, I truly am, but I feel what I'm saying is the truth.
 
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