Hygro
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Do you value winning more, or validation more?
Would you rather win without validation or lose but be validated?
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dusters
Emperor
There is no joy of winning without validation, so no. I better lose against worthy competition and feel validated that I was *close* to it, than win and feel bad about it, because winning was too easy.
Perfection
The Great Head.
I define winning as validation so having one but not the other is a logical contradiction.
Narz
keeping it real
I like winning. Why would someone validate me for losing?
President Trump: No-brainer. Need both, daily.
sophie
Break My Heart
Would it be reasonable to interpret this as "Do you value winning as much when the competition is weak as you do when the competition is strong?"?
How did the fish taste? That's what matters, if you're going to catch it and kill it.
sophie
Break My Heart
I interpreted it as meaning, "do you want to be right for the sake of being right? Or for the sake of people telling you how right you are."
Is your motivation internal or external?
Related Hypothetical: Would you take the billions of dollars Donald Trump (allegedly) has if it meant you had to live the rest of your life as Donald Trump: a sad, pathetic little man desperately chasing after adulation you'll never achieve, at the back of your mind the everpresent reminder that you are a total fraud.
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Silurian
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Lets imagine you out for a walk with a group of friends. The group drove to the start and are walking to a point were they can get a bus back to the car park but the bus runs once an hour. The group is nearly at the bus stop but is not sure of the route through some woods; the path you are on is not on the map or gps map. There are two paths the group can take.
A. A path that looks less promising and looks like it is going in the wrong direction but you walked through these woods a few years ago and are 90% certain you took it.
B. A wider path that is going partly in the right direction. Most of the group thing this is best.
Spoiler :
So with A you get the bus but you can not prove that you would not have made it the other way. So you win but get no validation.
With B you have to wait nearly an hour for the next the bus but you are validated
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
I'm curious - how do you think this relates to cheating? I never cheat because then I don't feel winning is any fun, but some people just like winning even though they don't play by the rules of the challenge.
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Personally I'm a sucker for validation in such a degree that winning isn't important at all.
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Personally I'm a sucker for validation in such a degree that winning isn't important at all.
Sport is something that was on my mind when I typed my last post here. I was thinking of the Olympic figure skating judging scandal that happened many years ago; the Canadian ice dancing team pulled off an incredible performance - not technically perfect, but still medal-calibre. They were dropped out of medal contention in favor of a team that was obviously worse technically. Later investigation revealed a deal among several European judges that the fix was in before the competition ever started. Certain countries' teams would be placed in a certain order, no matter how the skaters did. Judges signalling each other during the competition was detected on tape.
It didn't result in Bourne & Kratz getting the medal they deserved, but at least people now know they should have at least won bronze, if not silver.
And then the Salt Lake City Olympics happened... and the Russian pairs team was awarded the gold medal in spite of an obvious fall by the female half of the team. The Canadian pairs team was technically flawless... and was awarded the silver. This time it couldn't be plainer that crooked judging was going on. A long while later, the Canadian team was awarded the gold medal they'd been cheated of (but of course they didn't get a medal ceremony to go along with it). But was the Russian pair stripped of their gold?
No. They got to keep their ill-gotten medal. And they never expressed one word of remorse or even a bare acknowledgement that they didn't deserve that tainted medal.
I think it's safe to say that any athlete with integrity would rather win honestly, because they overcame strong opponents than because they performed poorly, but not as poorly as their opponents. I've seen figure skating medals awarded to people who performed poorly, but their opponents just happened to fall on their backsides a few more times. That's not elite-level figure skating; a gold medalist is expected to be technically flawless. Think "Battle of the Brians" at the Calgary Olympics in 1988. Brian Boitano won that gold medal because he was technically perfect and Brian Orser made one small error. The gold medal was awarded on the basis of one-tenth of a point difference in their scores. On that basis, I should think that Boitano's medal meant much more to him than if Orser, Petrenko (the bronze medalist), and others had made a poor showing. He had to work very hard for it, and there were no judges' fixes at that time. It was an honest competition, and the medals were awarded fairly.
aelf
Ashen One
Nah, it's almost definitely about winning the election and what it would take to do that (i.e. some form of compromise or at least slow, benign politicking). It signals a shift to the centre that part of OT seems to be undergoing (not withstanding the fact that the failure of the centre is what resulted in Trump's election).
BvBPL
Pour Decision Maker
There isn’t a choice here. Whether or not one wins or loses has little to do with validation.
Most sporting events don’t validate parking anyway. I did go to a NWHL event recently though that did. And that’s yet another reason why women’s sports deserve our support, and why we should fight against watering down Title IX.
We had it both ways at that event, both a win and validation.
Most sporting events don’t validate parking anyway. I did go to a NWHL event recently though that did. And that’s yet another reason why women’s sports deserve our support, and why we should fight against watering down Title IX.
We had it both ways at that event, both a win and validation.
Mise
isle of lucy
Completely depends on the situation. I mean, completely. I can't even think of a general rule under which I'd pick one over the other. First thought: "how important is winning vs validation?", but then that is literally just a restatement of the question. And I can't get any more specific than that.
