Would you vote for Calexit?

[Commodore]

since the entire idea is based on we are not cut out to be a single nation.

Over two centuries of history begs to differ with you. If we weren't meant to be a single nation and our differences were as great as you think, the whole thing would have fallen apart long ago.

This division should appeal to all sides.

Maybe we haven't split because there isn't as much division among the population as you seem to think. Just because you, personally, hate the idea of the US doesn't mean anyone else does.

 

[Esperr]

Calfornia is my home country....errr state. As much as the fantasy is perpetuated, I dont think it would be economically viable. As a state it has something like the 6th largest GDP out of any nation, but thats California as it is attached to the United states, not independent.

 

[Zelig]

Calfornia is my home country....errr state. As much as the fantasy is perpetuated, I dont think it would be economically viable. As a state it has something like the 6th largest GDP out of any nation, but thats California as it is attached to the United states, not independent.

In what world is an independent California less economically viable than an independent Fiji?

 

[tetley]

Japan can't even grow all their own food. Yet they are their own country, and no mass starvation. They actually do quite well, TYVM.

 

[tetley]

The nation needs California less than California needs the nation. The rest is ego.

J

Great! So we are in agreement! Let Cal exit, then. They do you more harm than good, and rapidly they don't want to be in it either. So quit telling Californians what they want and draft it up.

 

[Bugfatty300]

In what world is an independent California less economically viable than an independent Fiji?

California's economy is intertwined with the rest of the country, a lot of it is dependent on cheap interstate trade and travel which won't be so viable if all those trucks and tourists get funneled into backed up border entry points. International trade and such would have to start from scratch. Companies and investors will pullout, etc, etc.

Compared to an isolated island nation which is accustomed to self-dependence by default? Yeah, Hawaii or Puerto Rico would fare much better than Cali.

 

[Disgustipated]

No because then even more Californians would come to my state. We are crowded enough as is.

 

[Bugfatty300]

No because then even more Californians would come to my state. We are crowded enough as is.

Oh yeah, and there would be a massive population transfer as millions of people leave to remain Americans and millions more try to get in to claim Cali citizenship. That's always great for economic stability.

 

[Kyriakos]

Would Oregon and Washington have any chance of voting to form a country with Cali?

Btw, the new nation should be called Calorwa or something similar, to be all inclusive

 

[tetley]

Past U.S. Presidents have threatened with hanging anyone who talks of secession.

 

[Kyriakos]

Past U.S. Presidents have threatened with hanging anyone who talks of secession.

They were right wing, so it is different.

 

[tetley]

I was answering your question whether Oregon has any chance of voting themselves out. If you already have all the answers, never mind, then.

 

[Vectors]

Would California be ok financially as in independent state? Yes. California "GDP" is somewhere in the 2TN range iirc which puts it somewhere around what Italy does. Should California do it? No. For one it's illegal to do so. For two the Democratic Party and therefore America would be even more ****ed than it already is without California's 55 electoral votes, and for three it's a pretty weak move, dude. What coward cuts and runs the instant things get tough? That ain't American, and it ain't Californian neither.

The group is actually pursing a lawful method of secession, also they started the group before Trump won though he did put a lot of wind in their sails.

Cali's economy would suffer as imports seek other entry

Calexit is an okay name.

How about Calout?
Or Calescape.
Calscram
Calsplit

Those all suck.
I got it

Caleave

Caleavefornia

These are probably the biggest obstacles to an independent California. I'm guessing those that do provide California with its electricity and water wouldn't be too keen on continuing to provide that to an independent California without getting anything in return. They would probably make outrageous demands that California would never accept and the Californian economy would come grinding to a halt as brownouts and blackouts become the norm.

Californian people already spend up to 50 cents per kilowatt hour so what is reasonable? The states that export electricity would have a hole blown in their budget if they refused to negotiate and California is entitled to water from the Colorado as the Colorado touches our borders. Furthermore most of the nation's fruits and nuts are frown in California and a large chunk of vegetables too so cutting off water would hurt the pocket book of many Americans.

You sure? Have you ever gone through a real, extended water shortage without any help from other states or the federal government? It can be devastating. I saw what water shortages can do when I was in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Urban areas would get rationed and rural areas would have water deliveries cut, honestly Californian have grown used to drought restrictions so the country would survive .

 

[Kyriakos]

I was answering your question whether Oregon has any chance of voting themselves out. If you already have all the answers, never mind, then.

All i am saying is that the important enemy is not secession, but fighting and expressing oneself against the patriarchy/anti non-binary identities and racism.

 

[CavLancer]

"anti non-binary identities"? You had to have a leftist college professor in a class with absolutely no practical application bone you up on that one.

 

[Kyriakos]

"anti non-binary identities"? You had to have a leftist college professor in a class with absolutely no practical application bone you up on that one.

I was just trolling

It helps make do with having 20 threads on the same issue.

 

[CavLancer]

Well okay then, proceed...

 

[Esperr]

In what world is an independent California less economically viable than an independent Fiji?

California as part of the United States is an economically viable country. Its economy is currently intertwined with the rest of the United States. Just look at our water issue as an example.

 

[Hygro]

Being intertwined with neighbors doesn't make a country economically non-viable.

 

[Esperr]

Being intertwined with neighbors doesn't make a country economically non-viable.

When 95% of your water for the southern coast region comes from the Colorado it does.

And then theres currency, and what about businesses? What about corporations? Theres just so many moving parts that would need to be addressed. Foreign investment might be great at first or it could be terrible, it depends on whether money stays or leaves.