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you people are globally advised not to use any videos that suggest the PM is as capable as Palpatine . Or generally her stuff . Especially that V for Vengeance thing . There are many satellite TV channels that show movies all night long from DVDs , none of them survive long after showing it . Somehow they see a lot of wrong messages in that film . The boys from Langley ? They will see even more wrongs ... No Padmé Amidala in Turkish political discussion .
 
do not use various images of Natalie Portman in connection with political stuff related to New Turkey . Her non-compliance or whatever with Netanyahu's New Israel and refusal to accept some award created a feeling that Ankara should pay her some money to be looking like they are big players in international scales . She was like "Huh, what?" . There is enough of censorship in this country . After Elon Musk openly stating that they cut many accounts from Turkey to satisfy the PM's demands , so that they could keep Twitter open here , we have no need of CFC following suit to police such threads . No Portman ...

like Stuntwoman knows her and would be like bombing me in a Phantom for mentioning her name within the guidelines of these posts .
 
Here I am with live Turkish reaction in may 28th:
As Erodogan declares new Turkish Empire! And death to Turkish democracy!
If we are using movies, might as well use a show too. What is dead may never die :p
I have to suppose r16 still doesn't quite believe that westerners seriously think the kemaloislamists are a return to democracy eroded by the islamokemalists. Not sure why. "The planes don't land" - villagers in the pacific islands would rather cling on to their belief that if they cosplay as US radio operators, the ww2 planes will appear again and drop supplies there.

"Meanwhile", the leader of the opposition party to Erdogan, openly states that the aegean islands are actually turkish (notice the difference with Erdog; pretty much the same). Enjoy your planes.
 
was out in the big city nearby and naturally people laughed at me , because the youtube thing at the bottom of the previous page and now qouted above . As George Lucas would have no idea that 9/11 would happen and the American politics would become oh-so-patriotic and Dick Cheney insisted , real seriously , to be declared the living incarnation of Darth Vader , the scene in question here was shot , in this particular way . In true version of the thing , you will see no sad acceptance of the facts and rolling over to die , like peacefully . George Lucas has actually shown a diluted version , a deleted scene where she adresses the future leaders of the Rebellion to prepare ... The true version has the former queen , a child progidy in the finest traditions of Naboo , watching the Jedi Temple burn right from her sitting room windows knows there is Sith infiltration and Palpatine's increasingly erratic governance is what faciliated that . She will repeat what she did in the Phantom Menace and call for a vote of no confidence . Until she discovers who is the very essense of this Sith infiltration and how nobody cares . In the true version you will see anger and not a readiness to roll over and die . The words are cool but it is not what you think it is .

Spoiler :

it is a f_ _ _ing declaration of war .


as such , no true Star Wars fan working in intelligence will use these stuff in relation to real politicians . Naturally am not in intelligence , but a person with a service lightsaber , am right one those persons with a vested interest . It would have been wrong or whatever to let it pass . Just like there is no way George Lucas would say George Bush had to be killed . Dear people who laugh at me because of this or whatever , America values your existance as a member of Turkish Democracy with equal rights and an equal say in the future of the country . America would otherwise let you kill everyone you don't like , like 10 years ago .
 
and this is surprisingly relevant to them 2 things at the same time ... What's said as Greek islands up above are not all those yellow things on the map ...

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after all there are like ~3000 or so of them . What is being talked about here is just about 18 or 20 or whatever . Not documented in places , uninhabitated when the borders were drawn . One of them is not even in the map , Southwards of Crete . But when the Greeks settle a couple of people on them , they suddenly develop 6 nautical miles of territorial waters . Which add up with the previous stuff , you know naturally . Previous Goverments in Ankara wouldn't let that happen , after almost having to war over Kardak , like 20 squaremeters of land with 3 goats on it . New Turkey let the Greek Occupation happen ; with getting a pat on the back from the EU . The EU would have accepted them for their bid to destroy this country , they didn't have to turn over anything ...

new Turkey is the only "Goverment" in the last century to lose territory . However miniscule . Of course , there will be people jumping up and down , shoitinb about thd election jihads in Syria . The conquered areas are for Ihvan , to be protected from Damascus so that the failed Irresuction can be started again , sometime in the future . Claiming them as Greece , which were nothing of the sort before November 2002 is like a very smart move , of course until something happens .

that shrink or whatever , Ayşe Minyeli by the name , was not a shrink or an Ayşe when that twitter adress was first taken . Name changes and stuff , at least 4 times . Before it was taken it was a mafia guy who personally knew the PM . Nobody doubts it a fake account .

so , she has been talking too much and that guy up top will take her to court after thd elections . You want to know what she says ? "The islands left to Greece are the work of Greek Kemal and Armenian Ismet. But unfortunately a part of the ignorant people of my beautiful country still consider these two pedophiles as heroes.

The real heros is the person who will take these islands alongside the Greek mainland."

september 2022 , they love their trade with Israel so can not insult Israelis with hinting to Kemal's origins in their usual way . Inönü is always described to have Kurdish roots but they are talking bad about the single party years before 1950 so he has become Armenian here . Every month there is a new pedophilia case among the congregations so they transplant their shame onto others . Actually promises the PM will invade whole Greece . These were the days they used to have verbal spats with Athens every day ... But the Greeks were never afraid . Give New Turkey 3 billion Euros and they won't be around for 6 months or a year ...

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but it is ground breaking that am also accused of being behind the Korean thing . Here they are , the Korean , F-24G in its gigantic election size depiction and the F-22 , which is at least before my time ...
 
I guess I shouldn't complain about Korean Democracy anymore. I didn't realize it was THAT bad in Turkey... to vote for guy who killed economy and mishandled earthquake.
 
in CFC only Argentina comes close but they do not have a Civil War or stuff or American occupation and whatever
 
it is not 500 .

the real economic crisis is not on yet , deferred by so many years through foreign investment . The basics of the Opposition programme was getting 300 billion US dollars from stuff the PM and various big names of New Turkey REFUSE to own but somehow own . That the Opposition would not ever talk to some characters you might heard of in CFC was in the list , like at the bottom , of the deal the Main Opposition leader made in the US . Nobody would starve , too , by the look of things as they have been leaked . Yet , as time went by the deal was warped ; do not underestimate the affection the West feels for the potential of New Turkey destroying this country . That 300 billions were soon converted to full financial stuff , with regular interest over 10 years . Instead of one go in a year . Which ensured the peaceful elections , with very minor violence in actual fact and words .

and when it was clear that things might happen like A-K-P losing which also coincided with the soil drying somewhere so that tanks could operate without sinking into that legendary mud ... there was something new . That the losses of the West to be compensated . Some random number of 800 billion dollars , which might or might not be the whole amount of riches this country produces in a year . That this amount to be signed first , in case the PM and people like him refuse to lend the money . That they would guaranteed by the West , but you know the West , once they get the deals agreed to . The 75 year old leader of the Main Opposition has made his entire political career on fighting corruption , he couldn't sign that , even had he believed he could find that much money .


so it goes like 300 in one year / 300 over 10 years / Give us 800 and we will give you 300 / What? Who are you? We have never met before!

that's the reason for the "fight with Russia" . The Main Opposition leader promised to be tough on Russia , beyond the deal made in the US which had already ensured that the sanctions would be adhered to . That made no impression on the West . As really too many people fail to appreciate that New Turkey befriends Russia under the orders of the West . New Turkey is a grinding stone hanging on the neck of Putin's Russia .


that's why all those commentators on TV are all smiles as they are recounting how they lost , their way of life is under threat , and they might even be killed or something . The F-20 was such a good plane that it would never sell . So the Northrop had it painted in BMW Gray , so that maybe Yuppies would take pity or something at the familiarity ...

some say people are talking too much . ı am not talking too much , already said ı wasn't running in the elections . Just explaining the joy New Turkey feels at their fake claim of George Sho-ross having died . Now that the elections are over , they don't intend to pay the cut they promised to the chief instigator of trouble , prince of darkness , enemy of New Turkey , who like totally did not pave the way for New Turkey . Like Sho-ross could really die if he asks for what he is owed ...


financial trouble ? The country is said to have made its choice . Don't come complaining to me if "your mother is complaining" ...
 
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picture time ... There are many schools in the big city nearby named after soldiers who have been killed in the Southeast . So , ı can't say whether it is the one ı used to pass by walking during the pandemic days . Don't know all those parties and ı might have done it wrong while adding numbers but it says New Turkey like got 196 votes in the elections for MPs in that particular ballot box and the Opposition got 133 , including that 12 for the seperatists .

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this one is supposedly the official result entered in Ankara . 156 New Turkey , 76 Opposition , 125 other parties that failed to 7% across the country and hence unable to have MPs .

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presidential race , in a different box in some other town . PM gets 72 . The candidate of 2018 gets 0 as he gave up before the elections , his new party still ran for the MPs . 262 for Opposition . 1 for the former nationalist whose party is slated to be the future Nazis .

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official result : PM 248 . 1 for 2018 candidate , allowed by the law / will not be counted . 76 for Opposition . 22 for the future guy .

the thing of discussion during last night . Started on Twitter as those people who spent upto 20 hours at elections as volunteers of various parties checked the results they signed for and official results . Had no traction ; the echo chamber apparently banned a thread starter , preventing him to post for the next month or whatever . Twitter is for the rich , people can rant all day long . It needs action in places like the echo chamber to be heard . The big city nearby naturally blames me after it suddenly exploded into national conciousness . The brilliant or whatever computer expert of the Main Opposition has been sacked ; despite he had prospered after the same exact procedures happening back in 2018 : New Turkey media starts shouting they have won even if the percentages in favour keep dropping as more votes come in . There will be a lull , hours long while the Opposition keeps everybody on the edge with the reports on the victory in sight . And then ... nothing happens . The Main Opposition basically established a seperate news agency to combat this , a manipulation by the State media to make those twitter guys give up (so that things can happen) . The landslide Opposition victory later gets attributed to clerical mistakes of inexpereinced Main Opposition tally keepers ...

the director of the new news agency is also sacked . The claims are that he was paid 95 million dollars by A-K-P so that he would point out any unsigned election results his crews unwittingly spotted so that they could be chosen to be tampered with . Can't tell whether this involved direct cash or a court case that ended in his favour just one day after the election . Mind you , this journalist guy spent years in jail after A-K-P locked him up during the Ergenekon Conspiracies .

my fault then being saying something - though am not sure what ... Not true . Thousands of American troops in combat have started the leave the Soviet built bunkers and have become available for accidental targeting by Russians during the latter's campaign against fertilizer stocks . Pathetic Russians , their bunkers rated against tactical nuclear weapons cave in so easily . So , some Patriot battery gets schrapnels and pieces and more pieces and some American comes to office in the morning (which is 7 or 8 hours after ours) and like don't they need Turks or whatever ? As in while it is true that the US Embassy ordered the process stopped before the Presidential Elections would have been decided in the first round , they are so ready to horse trade . You know the chief insult Dabya threw at this country . Don't know why they so doubt the martial prowess of New Turkey and always reach out to oldies who haven't held a rifle in 30 years . Not me . Some random American official ... Of course the ever smart of this country will now laugh at my defeat once again , like with such "fakes" .

disregarding 2002 , which came after an huge economic crisis and American assets personally wrecking and preparing the political scene , every election has seen the logical conclusion that A-K-P will be defeated . Disbelief a natural outcome after each one , followed by justification ... some of which awkwardly made up .

yes , Main Opposition declared there were no great irregularities . As they always do declare . To prevent doubts that might have formed in the minds of people , the Congregation is already spreading allegations that the Main Opposition won the Presidential race with 52% and the MPs are all wrong , with MHP making just 4% , not the claimed 10% plus .

there are a lot of people in this country . They do a lot of things . Such as fixing things . Despite that the US arranged a full 2002 for them again , a new start ... a new everything . They got full pardons despite the rhetoric from the Main Opposition . They got "lending money instead of straight confiscation" . They have been Kemalists , Socialists , Nationalists , Seperatists , Congregationalists , Islamists , everythingists , as needed , one after another . Instead of a blank page , they instead chose their beautiful system , where the corruption removes the need to work or something . Not even the Blacksea conspiracy thing . As proven in Istanbul municipality elections where some A-K-P officials basically voted for the Opposition candidate when it turned out their own candidate might or might not lose ... These people include the businessmen who complain in places where people know Lord Vader and the lot and it is a disaster and when the elections are over , they still say the Nation has made its decision and things must go on . The Republic owes them nothing . Remember this if it EVER turns for real that the Nation has not been doing any such decision for years and this leads to trouble and those idiots who wait for 20 hours to protect the so-called honour of the ballotbox discover they have been deceived by "Democracy" and go full Che Guevera .
 
So how about a summary of the presidential race votes and the other important ones?
 
double or triple cross ... The 49,5% the PM got was the "best" they could get because America wanted a second round , giving another 15 days . Zelensky is oddly ready to talk peace . The only important thing here is avoiding casualties that might hurt Bidon in 2024 and this fleeting Turkish know-how in weaponry must be kept under lock . While the Presidential race is the one single important race , the parliamentary results where the Main Opposition took former Islamists and gave them spots in its own candidates means in case they decide to follow stuff , New Turkey has now enough numbers to change the Constitution , too . My eyes hurt , because ı just woke up and not out of stress , because ı had this funny dream about some (blonde) Hollywood personality cooking for me ...
 
deniz Baykal , a former CHP leader , was reportedly a relative of one of the 4 major founders of A-K-P . This latter person is usually reported to be a descendant of one of the ringleaders of a uprising in 1930 , which was long used as a warning against extremism ... Such connections are so much liked by conspiracy minded ; everybody takes notice that Baykal was a major supporter of the PM in the "name of Democracy" where laws clearly indicated the PM could not do whatever he wanted in that particular moment . Of relative interest to this story , Baykal's plane was once intercepted by Libyan jets and forced to land so that Kaddafi could lash at him personally . Currently ı can't find the search terms for this to find an online reference of any kinds ... The results are about Baykal supporting A-K-P in the recent Civil War or having a grand time with Kaddafi in 1974 , to find supplies for the Air Force during the fighting in Cyprus , an operation he reportedly opposed . My hunch says it might have been around 1978 when his demands went beyond what could be projected as modernization of Libya in return for a defence industry for this country . Like Rockwell licenced Thrush model agricultural aircraft to Poland which then was marketed as PZL Dromader , they assembled one single plane "of their own" in Ankara followed by two more some years later . And naturally bought Dromaders , some time later when stuff was buried very deep safely . Thrush series have indeed been evolved into combat aircraft , used by UAE in Libya even .

the only reason the PM became an MP was because Baykal cleared him in 2003 . Supposedly in return for a promise of support in the Presidential vote in the Parliament in 2007 ...

such constructive opposition no longer suited from a point in time . There was the usual s x scandal , with tapes leaked by the Congregation .

there are substantially different phases in this . Baykal was to be the godless secular opposition that "caused" the Civil War ; once the American invasion of Iraq created the safe zones . For both the seperatists and the Islamists who would find heart in the resistance of the Iraqis and decide that they were under a similar threat . Also practical experience in "jihad" .

by 2010 , the Congregation was riding high and globally it was too much jihad for America . With Baykal moved out of the way because Baykal was the "proper politician" with grabbing everything for himself and giving nothing away , the plans changed . Kılıçtaroğlu would talk big , achieve so little and the CHP would be marginalized as a party of Alevis and nothing else . Justifying the eventual transformation of the country into a Malaysian type state of Sharia .


the guy talked much and his achievements were somehow not little enough . Time passes and scenery changes and the world turns . A right wing candidate was agreed by the Opposition and a major percentage of A-K-P leadership and of course there were the expected backstabbings in the Presidential race of 2014 .

the Opposition was "better" organized in 2018 . Polarization , foremost conducted by A-K-P made CHP the "centerpiece" with no other options . So , instead of marginalization as a secterian party , stuff gave CHP a brilliant candidate who ran a brilliant and stirring campaign . His only significant pledge (to stuff beyond) if you will , was that he would fight for it . Him leading 50 000 thousand lawyers to the central offices so that there would be no vote fraud . You know , it always appears as claims but gets never proven . Even today , the echo chamber had a message that in the 2007 elections the A-K-P was polling 27 to 29% but got 46% of the vote ...

he didn't . Even had he have just 5 lawyers with him when he made just one single foray to the main Elections office in Ankara , he would have popularly rode a tsunami to become the next leader of the CHP . It was assumed his wife had been kidnapped by the Army of Petrol . Nobody saw him that night , as he was sort of enjoying the privilidges of leadership . Drinking copious amounts of alcohol , describing the attack , setting up an ambush for search and rescue stuff . If you are to believe unproven claims of "dubious provenance" . America cut him down that very night . It will be avoided when the discussion becomes one of how close he was to replace the PM in the palace . He clearly has proven himself to be an equal in harsh treatment of people .

this country gets regularly described as 65 to 70% Right and the rest as the Left . Kılıçdaroğlu has been a master of reaching understandings with people , his thing about fixing the country involved a "Leftist" President with powers to be reduced in due course , the "factory settings" before the PM's twisting of everything in his favour . Requires a "Rightist" Prime Minister and he was grooming Imamoğlu by common agreement with other parties . Imamoğlu has the potential to be an another PM with a proper lack of controls and has always had a fair amount of detractors . Which was eventually fixed by a further agreement within the Opposition , where people would run when the system was repaired and the country saved from the brink .

as such Imamoğlu fought for his vote . It really made a difference .

as such the May 14th elections were properly arranged . To show Imamoğlu and Yavaş of Ankara were liars . When the CHP's website carried the exact same set of failures that it had in 2018 . The exact same coverage . That the PM is losing more with every passing hour and millions of votes still not entered into country wide system . Then it turns out ... something .

the echo chamber tonight calls the Last Prime Minister basically an idiot . After his call on A-K-P voters in Izmir that Kılıçdaroğlu needs 2,5 million votes and they should help him . With cries of approval from the audience . Contrary to what people might think , the votes of Opposition must increase in Izmir and everybody who will vote for CHP in Izmir already votes so and the number of votes must increase because there are only two candidates in the runoff ... So that the elections will not appear to be rigged .
 
they are counting the votes . Just one thing to remember though . Cheat at will , it is decades that any belief that it would be corrected and whatever . But there has been years of New Turkey propaganda that there were secret clauses in the Treaty of Lausanne and the country would take flight . It will .

edit: "Kendi düşen ağlamasın" . Am not putting millions of votes into envelopes , am ı ?
 
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what surprise ? Supporting Socialists in Europe means cool support from Berlin and etc . But when it comes to voting at home , they suddenly discover all the Leftists are godless . They most definitely do not want the minority rights they enjoy given to people here and this is nothing about Kurds or anything ... Voting in Washington was reduced from 4 days to 2 , so that there would be less red votes from there , ran full time in Europe because there would be more yellows . A contrast between those who are like students or business people vs Gastarbeiter who were chosen from not especially urban areas in the 1960 and 70s .Have not been surprised by Slovakia for some reason .
 
I think it is acceptable to say that Turkey is no more democratic than Russia is.

What a obedient liberal you are, democracy happens only when "your" side wins? No, you can't wave away what happens around the world. Erdogan won because he had widespread support and the opposition was worthless politically - divided and lost in contradictions.

Or if you want to personalize and make it simpler, Erdogan won because his opponent was an idiot. He transparently was taking marching orders from the US&UK, where he traveled to and made speeches prior to the election.
Turks mostly believing they found their pride back (WW1 was a long time ago) they do not take kindly to being pupettered. I know it may be hard to understand for a SK. But your countrymen will recover their pride some day and the day may be close.

If pride and aspirations to regional power is good or bad, for Turkey or any other country, can be argued about. But the explanation stands: in democracies where the population sees their nation as independent actor, politicians who seem assets for foreign powers do not do well in elections. Nationalist was a thing 100 years ago and is a thing today. A complex thing, I'm not arguing good or bad, that would necessitate a whole threat. Or many.

I thought these were interesting. Germany surprised me, 1.5 million voters and 2/3rds of them for Erdogan.

No surprise. The foreign policy prism was more relevant for the turks outside the country. Pride was more relevant. For a number of reasons.

The "melting pot" theory, and multiculturalism, has always been a fraud. Turks in Germany are not really "assimilated" with suppression of their identity. And therefore not propagandized with success. Anyone who knew european history should know how this goes. The borders of central Europe remain undetonated mines. Or in the process of detonation, because of formal nationality not matching actual nationality. Assimilation didn't happen despite more than a century passing, in some places.
Alas, european governments have been booby-trapping their countries. But that too is a different subject.
 
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