YnAMP sub-project: True location corresponding city names

[guidemwit]

I've uploaded a new version on GitHub, with a reorganization of GamePlayText.xml (now sorted by area, no need to differentiate city names by map in that file), and fixed some (very few in fact, it was just bad luck that my example to test the "no civ-specific city name" option was Athens...) generic names that were replaced by a specific name.

edit:

and I got this in the lua.log, maybe some typos ?

YnAMP_Script: WARNING : no translation for LOC_CITY_NAME_WAKAYAMA
YnAMP_Script: WARNING : no translation for LOC_CITY_NAME_YOKOTE
YnAMP_Script: WARNING : no translation for LOC_CITY_NAME_DAXINGANLING

It's my fault. I've done fixing the bug and created pull request.

 

[Gedemon]

merged, thanks.

 

[guidemwit]

I've finished South East Asia for GEM and requested a pull on GitHub.

Spoiler Thailand, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Myanmar :

Spoiler Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines :

 

[tomaltachpaulson]

Hey, it's me, the caucasus guy.

I'm sorry that I left you hanging with my region for so long. I've had a lot to do recently and this project was unfortunately what fell behind.

I have finished the area of Y:33 to Y:44, but I could do some tiles to the north and south more if you want.

I will upload my changes to github this weekend (when I'm finally gonna have the time to figure out how to do this)

Again, I'm sorry for the long delay, thus was just not the best time to start working on a project of this size for me.

Nevertheless, once I'll have my region uploaded, I'll be ready for a new one - this time faster

Hey @niklas153021, did you get your Caucasus region merged on GitHub? I was just wondering as I am working near that region for the Roman names and I can't seem to see any code for Y=33 to Y=44. If you do still have the files and you would rather put off your GitHub initiation then you could just post them in a ZIP to the forum and I can add them on with the update I'm currently working on.

 

[niklas153021]

I created a pull request back then, but I'll upload my changes to the forums now.
The the ZIP contains my changes to Maps/PlayEuropeAgain/CityMap.xml and Gameplay/GamePlayText.xml

 

[tomaltachpaulson]

Pull request submitted for changes to Middle East (North) and Anatolia & Cyprus sections, as well as addition of @niklas153021's Caucasus section, which I have modified slightly so that it meshes properly with the adjoining sections:

Spoiler Anatolia :

Spoiler Black Sea :

Spoiler Caucasus :

Spoiler Northern Mesopotamia :

I also had a look at the Ukraine, Southern Russia, & Kazakhstan section to add a couple of civ-specific names to the Crimea and I think I have spotted a gap in the code. You might want to have a look @brick623.

Spoiler Gap in names :

 

[brick623]

Pull request submitted for changes to Middle East (North) and Anatolia & Cyprus sections, as well as addition of @niklas153021's Caucasus section, which I have modified slightly so that it meshes properly with the adjoining sections:

Spoiler Anatolia :

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Spoiler Black Sea :

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Spoiler Caucasus :

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Spoiler Northern Mesopotamia :

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I also had a look at the Ukraine, Southern Russia, & Kazakhstan section to add a couple of civ-specific names to the Crimea and I think I have spotted a gap in the code. You might want to have a look @brick623.

Spoiler Gap in names :

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Thanks for the heads up - sorry I've been away - work related. Will take a look at this next week and hopefully start work on a new area.

 

[tomaltachpaulson]

Thanks for the heads up - sorry I've been away - work related. Will take a look at this next week and hopefully start work on a new area.

Great! Another thing I forgot to mention in the same area is that Scythia's start city is misnamed—should be Atyrau, not Arytau. I'm also considering doing another region before uni begins again and my spare time disappears... I think I might do sub-equatorial Africa (up to Y=29).

 

[Xefjord]

Hey I just discovered this project and am really excited for it! I normally play East Asian Civs and as I was reading through all the posts the one picture of Japan and Korea seemed a little awkward? I can't see the files (or don't know how to) so I just wanted to ask if there is decent priority for the really important cities in Japan. Like Osaka, Kyoto, Sendai, Fukuoka. or if you just gave every tile a city and Osaka, Kyoto, etc happened to not make the cut in your screenshot. I can understand if you gave each tile a different city as its so condensed, it was just a little odd to see none of those major cities. Also Incheon is incredibly close to Seoul and I would imagine Seoul would take greater preference in most cases, just want to make sure that isn't skimped (As Korea seems pretty small). There was very few cities on Korea so I don't know the extent of coverage there.

Also a small little request, as it seems people are incredibly passionate about mapping out all possibilities with the Civ Specific names (A good thing! As I saw Rome had a name for a hefty amount of Europe) that Japan also get some colonial treatment. As in WW2 it covered a large part of the Far East and I am fairly certain the enjoyed renaming cities as well. So being able to cover East Asia in Japanese sounding names in a WW2 or WW1 esque scenario could be pretty fulfilling. (You could probably attach Chinese names to Korea as well for its times of occupations for a China specific naming, but I am less sure of the history there)

Thank you all for your hard work! It looks awesome to see all this development!

 

[God of Kings]

If China takes over Tokyo, then Dongjing should show up.

Yes, it would be interesting to see names of Japanese cities on Sakhalin (known as Karafuto by the Japanese).

 

[guidemwit]

Hey I just discovered this project and am really excited for it! I normally play East Asian Civs and as I was reading through all the posts the one picture of Japan and Korea seemed a little awkward? I can't see the files (or don't know how to) so I just wanted to ask if there is decent priority for the really important cities in Japan. Like Osaka, Kyoto, Sendai, Fukuoka. or if you just gave every tile a city and Osaka, Kyoto, etc happened to not make the cut in your screenshot. I can understand if you gave each tile a different city as its so condensed, it was just a little odd to see none of those major cities. Also Incheon is incredibly close to Seoul and I would imagine Seoul would take greater preference in most cases, just want to make sure that isn't skimped (As Korea seems pretty small). There was very few cities on Korea so I don't know the extent of coverage there.

Also a small little request, as it seems people are incredibly passionate about mapping out all possibilities with the Civ Specific names (A good thing! As I saw Rome had a name for a hefty amount of Europe) that Japan also get some colonial treatment. As in WW2 it covered a large part of the Far East and I am fairly certain the enjoyed renaming cities as well. So being able to cover East Asia in Japanese sounding names in a WW2 or WW1 esque scenario could be pretty fulfilling. (You could probably attach Chinese names to Korea as well for its times of occupations for a China specific naming, but I am less sure of the history there)

Thank you all for your hard work! It looks awesome to see all this development!

Below is behind-the-scene pic for East Asia. I did a little research for administrative divisions of each country before making the map (mostly referred to Wikipedia).
Red text = major cities
Black text = minor cities
I know that some cities are on wrong side of the island e.g. Fukuoka occupied both west and east side of Kyushu Island. My intention is to increase possibility that someone would popped a city on that island and got major city - Fukuoka instead of minor city - Oita.

For Korean peninsula and Taiwan, map distortion is just so high so that all major cities are clustered together.

I think you can join @tomaltachpaulson for East Asian language translation of this area. Now we focus on translation of modern city name first e.g. Tokyo (JAP) -> Dong Jing (CHN) -> Dokyo (KOR) but some of ancient cities may got historical city name if you have knowledge about it.

Spoiler East Asian City Map :

 

[Xefjord]

Ah! That is a really good picture! Thanks for clearing that up! Just two little things!

Its a little odd to see Incheon BELOW Seoul. I personally would mark the Seoul with a red hex as Incheon. Then mark Seoul as available underneath and to the left of the of new Incheon. (I would make the left one the actual Seoul) and make the hex marked Incheon as Hongseong (otherwise known as the bottom most Incheon) This way you have a more accurate Incheon. Seoul is not on the coast. but I can understand trying to give it more space to assure its existence. So if you do decide to put Seoul on the coast there is still a place that could imaginably be Incheon (You can put a harbor and industrial district there and pretend since its too close to build a city)

I would also make the top most Niigata on Japan as Akita. As that is where Akita would be and Akita is also a decently well known city in Japan. (Known for the most beautiful women in Japan anyway). Anytime I put a city in that spot I always name it Akita.

Everything else makes sense to me and I understand whatever sacrifices you had to make because of distortion (Taiwan is especially affected, but not much we can do)

I am not sure I am the MOST knowledgeable on the subject, and I don't know how to do any in-game editing. But if @tomaltachpaulson will message me, I will try my best to help with Civ specific names in the East Asia region if you want! I can work with microsoft paint and try to show you some places and names.

 

[Gedemon]

I've done a few change on the city map in Korea that I haven't documented here, sorry, see : https://github.com/Gedemon/Civ6-YnAMP/commit/5a5089831a1b883eebe8674a7c796e408ab5957c

I needed the possibility to have both Seoul and Pyongyang on the map at the same time for a mod I'm working on with ~50 very basic modern civs (basic as in no leaders and no civ specific traits)

I also plan to reshape Taiwan for that same reason.

 

[Gedemon]

@Xefjord : To answer your PM, I've changed Seoul to 89,61 (that's the position of Incheon on the screen posted by guidemwit, Seoul being at 88,63 on the screen) and changed Incheon to 89,62 (the plot just South East of Seoul on the screen)

You can post the proposed changes here, I can also reshape the map in the area.

 

[Gedemon]

Here is what I'm working on, as it's also related to YnAMP and TSL, and city naming, and why I'd like to have 3 tiles between North and South Korea capitals position to have both on the map:

other parts of the world:


(Yes, I know, I've inverted the flag's color for Indonesia, and Brasilia need to be moved)

I plan to remove the plot east of Hanoi, reshape Taiwan, but I'm still unsure about how to shape Hainan.

 

[Xefjord]

Why did you put every country's capitol in its modern accurate spot (roughly) but kept Kyoto (As opposed to Tokyo) as the capitol of Japan...? Well, I am not totally sure what you are making (Whether its a true start with modern countries, or a full real world modern day scenario map like Earth 2014) but from what I see, I like it!

 

[tomaltachpaulson]

That looks pretty cool @Gedemon! Some of the African capitals need to be moved though. Madagascar should be at X=37 Y=17, South Africa at X=24 Y=7, and Kongo should either be at X=21 Y=24 for historical Mbanza Kongo or at X=21 Y=26 for modern Kinshasa.

@guidemwit There seems to be a gap in the name locations in Borneo, see pic:

Spoiler :

Finally, I've pushed a pull request to add a section for sub-equatorial Africa:

Spoiler :

@Gedemon, the name map has a couple of circled tiles where I'd like to have some land added. One of them is for Zanzibar, which in real life is actually on an island off the coast. At the moment Zanzibar is spawning at Dar es Salaam, so it would be nice to give it a more accurate location. The other two are just to make Madagascar's shape and length a little more accurate.

 

[guidemwit]

@Xefjord. Thx for your in-depth comments (in my inbox). I did updated the city map except Tsu since I think Nagoya is more important.

@tomaltachpaulson. Thx. I fixed that gap already.

@Gedemon.
1. I found that Mount Everest is too far west than it actually be. It should be moved 2 tiles to the east.
2. I think Hainan shape seems okay. But not sure about an island on the right. Is it Hong Kong? Now I just named it Pratas island, a remote atoll LOL.
3. Please find East Asian and SE Asian city map in attachment for your reference in case you make changes to the map.

 

[tomaltachpaulson]

I've just submitted a pull request to add TSL for Australia on all three Earth maps. I've also added a city map for the Greatest Earth Map, but true naming for that map doesn't seem to be turned on at the moment, so I haven't tested it.

 

[Gedemon]

Thanks !

To (re)activate the city naming option on the greatest earth map you just need to edit a line in Maps/GreatestEarthMap/Config.xml

change

        <!--    Auto City Naming
        <Row Key1="Map" Key2="GreatestEarthMap.lua" ParameterId="AutoCityNaming" Name="LOC_MAP_AUTO_CITY_NAMING_NAME" Description="" Domain="bool" DefaultValue="1" ConfigurationGroup="Map" ConfigurationId="AutoCityNaming" GroupId="MapOptions" SortIndex="2000"/>
        -->

to

        <!--    Auto City Naming
        -->
        <Row Key1="Map" Key2="GreatestEarthMap.lua" ParameterId="AutoCityNaming" Name="LOC_MAP_AUTO_CITY_NAMING_NAME" Description="" Domain="bool" DefaultValue="1" ConfigurationGroup="Map" ConfigurationId="AutoCityNaming" GroupId="MapOptions" SortIndex="2000"/>