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[Perfection]

Jesus isnt imaginary. Neither is God. However, people who feel so smug as to insult others faiths because they simply feel like doing so need therapy.

Now now, Mobby, boys will be boys.

 

[AL_DA_GREAT]

It would be rather lame, actually. It wouldn't even be a real debate, considering how one-sided it would be. It wouldn't even be as amusing as debating a white supremacist.

For the hundreth time I am not a white supremacist. I am a white nationalist. I don't want to supress anyone.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Insulting other peoples believes is a disgrace! Only the lowest form of human crapping being would do such a thing!

So, in retaliation I will insult somebodies belief

Who needs cartoons when you have this

 

[CurtSibling]

Are you insinuating that Mormons are murderers?

If you know of an institutional case of this happening that is not named the mountain medows massacure, i'd love to here it.

Guilty conscience?

I was asking the poster for evidence about scientogoly, not making accusations about your precious mormonism.

And any religion ran by humans will no doubt end up with blood on their hands.

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[CurtSibling]

And I believe atheism is a mental disorder.

Then I am glad to be mad as a hatter.

It's better than your version of 'sane'...

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[CurtSibling]

How is my comment any more trollish than Curts? How is it trollish at all, when I hear athiests say the same exact thing about religionists all the time?

Talk about hypocrisy.

Look up the definition of trolling, MobBoss.

I wasn't trolling, but giving my honest view on the matter.
Just because you cannot handle it, does not make me a troll.

Now, be a good crusader and move along.

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[skadistic]

Jesus isnt imaginary. Neither is God. However, people who feel so smug as to insult others faiths because they simply feel like doing so need therapy.

Jesus was just a man. God doesn't exist.It (the judeo/christian god is like all the others just a myth) Surely if god wasn't imaginary you could show me a physical manifestation right? And that therapy point pertains to you too Mobby. You insult atheists all day long for their lack of imaginary friends. You need therapy. You're a bigger bigot then most atheists. But then again what do I know. I'm just a godless heathen who by your own words can't be trusted.

 

[MobBoss]

Jesus was just a man. God doesn't exist.It (the judeo/christian god is like all the others just a myth) Surely if god wasn't imaginary you could show me a physical manifestation right? And that therapy point pertains to you too Mobby. You insult atheists all day long for their lack of imaginary friends.

Not exactly skadistic. I merely point out their hypocrisy in how intolerant they are of people of faith while asking for more tolerance themselves.

You need therapy. You're a bigger bigot then most atheists.

Laughable. Once again, look at this thread and look who threw the first stone. Was it a religionist? Or an atheist?

Answer: Atheist. Its always an atheist who starts this stuff, in regards to beliving in God is a mental disorder. Always. And you continue the intolerance in what you do.

So am I a bigger bigot than you? Again, laughable.

But then again what do I know. I'm just a godless heathen who by your own words can't be trusted.

As voted by a large majority of americans.

 

[El_Machinae]

Most organized religions (and especially the Abrahamic ones) are as a plague to this Earth. The cultural mindset that comes along with them are that humans are above the natural laws and that the planet was made for them to conquer and rule. It gives us carte blanche to go around eliminating thousands of plant and animal species based on whether or not they serve our immediate purposes or not, and to eliminate all competitors. This goes against all of the natural laws that are established, whether by God, Gods, or by happenstance. Humans can no more live above these laws than a cricket or a bird, but we think that we can and we're destroying our planet and ourselves in the process. Religion is not necessarily the root of the problem, but is more a support system to further that cultural mindset that has us headed down the path of extinction.

They also seem to have an element of "the coming apocalypse is for the best!" and "death is actually a good thing, kinda", which are harmful too, imho.

How is my comment any more trollish than Curts?

Coherence, actually. Trollishness is partially indicated by the (lack) of logic use when trying to inspire angry feelings.

It's more coherent to respond to the atheist's "Religion is a biological trick of the brain that people choose to be fooled by" with "Atheism is a trick on your soul by the devil" than to try to flip it around using too similar language

Calling something a mental disease is a materialistic claim, which makes more sense in an atheistic paradigm than a religous one.

 

[skadistic]

Laughable. Once again, look at this thread and look who threw the first stone. Was it a religionist? Or an atheist?It doesn't mater. Its shameful you would use that to justify doing the same thing. 2 wrongs mobby 2 wrongs.

Answer: Atheist. Its always an atheist who starts this stuff, in regards to beliving in God is a mental disorder. Always. And you continue the intolerance in what you do.But mommy johny did it first whaaaaaaaaa. You sound like a 5 year old.

So am I a bigger bigot than you? Again, laughable.Would you vote for an atheist? Do I really need to go on?



As voted by a large majority of americans.

So you take you cue from what every one else does? You're such an indipendent thinker Mobby. I guess its easy to follow the herd.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

As a Daveist I have the obligation not to do to others what I do not want done to myself. So even if Mobbie or Curt would bash Daveism, I would forgive them since they probably have not met Uncle Dave yet. I would forgive them because would I retaliate I would be guilty of the same crime. So when others attack me on that base I have no moral high ground to defend myself. I would forgive them not because it's ok to trash Daveism, but because when they find they are faced with forgiveness when trashing Daveism they'd feel a sting of envy. Envy to the strength I have found when I really listened to what Uncle Dave taught me. I used to react in exact the same way before that, and all that got me was a reaction, opposite and equal to my action. Come to think of it, I think Newton met Uncle Dave as well. And it's really the law of Uncle Dave instead of Newton's third.

 

[El_Machinae]

Can I use that to predict you?

If I notice you doing something which I wouldn't like, should I do it to you, knowing that you probably want it done to you?

'Cause, I like doing things to people that they like.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Can I use that to predict you?

I don't know if you can. You can always try. I cannot say if you will be succesfull.

If I notice you doing something which I wouldn't like, should I do it to you, knowing that you probably want it done to you?

No, all you know it's not something I don't want it not done to myself. You do not know if I will enjoy it. I might be neutral towards it. So if you don't mind a wasted effort on occasion, sure ... go for it. And if you get it wrong, no harm done.

Heck, I would wecome it. I'm kinda new at this, so it would be good to test the waters.

'Cause, I like doing things to people that they like.

You will find that that attitude will make people around you want to do things to you that you like. At least that's wat I'd like to think what would happen.

I don't think it'll work if the people around you are bastards.

 

[Bill3000]

How is my comment any more trollish than Curts? How is it trollish at all, when I hear athiests say the same exact thing about religionists all the time?

Talk about hypocrisy.

It isn't any more trollish than Curts; it's probably less trollish because it is directed at a wider audience than the religious here. The difference, however, is that there's a lot more atheists than religious people here, and thus such a comment would do nothing but spark more negative attention than a "religion is a mental disorder" because more people would take offense, and thus the thread will become just as lame as if it was just the opposite, except perhaps a larger amount of replies.

Of course, that's irrelevant, because saying "religion is a mental disorder" and other remarks is really, really, ********, so any comment either way would be unproductive. It's sad, really, because such comments prevent many religion threads from being insightful. I can't make a thread on the fact that I feel that religion deserves a minimum amount of respect being a rich form of human expression that offers insight into our views on life and society, regardless of whether or not a religion in particular is believed to be true, but it'll eventually die down to "religion is a mental disorder" or "religion only commits atrocities" by atheists who would participate in such a discussion.

So in the end, I agree with your justification, but not the method you did it in.

For the hundreth time I am not a white supremacist. I am a white nationalist. I don't want to supress anyone.

There is no difference. You clearly imply a superiority in the white race over other races, whether it be a biological or cultural superiority. That is the definition of a white supremacist.

 

[El_Machinae]

It can lead to viscious cycles though. If I assume that you operate that way, and you assume that I operate that way, then we could get stuck on a cycle of massive evil.

I think: "I wouldn't want X done to me, but Ziggy did it to someone*, so he must like it. I'll do X to Ziggy"

Ziggy:"What the HELL? El_Mac is doing X to me! Well, he's not an evil bastard, he must like it when X is done to him. I'll do it back!"

[/never ending cycle of misery]

*a moment of weakness

You're not really using the Golden Rule, but you're close. It's a decent system, but it fails partially at predicting what actions you should do to people (if you wouldn't want those actions done to yourself)

 

[Perfection]

Not exactly skadistic. I merely point out their hypocrisy in how intolerant they are of people of faith while asking for more tolerance themselves.

Who is "they"? All atheists?

Please don't lump me in with people like Skad.

Just an interesting point though is that Curt may be in the clear here (at least in terms of not being a hypocrite, he's still a hateful bastard) in that he doesn't seem to expect tolerance from religious people.

 

[Bill3000]

You're not really using the Golden Rule, but you're close. It's a decent system, but it fails partially at predicting what actions you should do to people (if you wouldn't want those actions done to yourself)

I'm pretty sure the Golden Rule requires positive actions only, e.g. the Christian form "love others as you love yourself [and make sure to love yourself]" as opposed to "treat others as you want to be treated."

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It can lead to viscious cycles though. If I assume that you operate that way, and you assume that I operate that way, then we could get stuck on a cycle of massive evil.

I think: "I wouldn't want X done to me, but Ziggy did it to someone*, so he must like it. I'll do X to Ziggy"

This is a snag. If you would also follow the rule, we'd have no problem. Since you couldn't do to me what you didn't want done to yourself.

So we should all become Daveists

Ziggy:"What the HELL? El_Mac is doing X to me! Well, he's not an evil bastard, he must like it when X is done to him. I'll do it back!"

Now I'm losing you. In your example I liked X, but you didn't

Or did I miss something. Are you saying I broke the rule I stated and from there on missery will spin out of control? resulting in a:
[/never ending cycle of misery]

*a moment of weakness

Ah .. now I get it (not editing, since the train of thought does not edit) Yes, in a moment of weakness I could break the rule. Then I'm at the mercy of others who might not live be the same rules.

You're not really using the Golden Rule, but you're close.

Will you tell me the golden rule? I think I could be an El_Machist if it's a good one.
It's allready Gold, so that's hopefull.

It's a decent system, but it fails partially at predicting what actions you should do to people (if you wouldn't want those actions done to yourself)

It's not to be used very specific I think.

Don't hurt others (allthough some people might like it ... still)
Don't disrespect others
Don't let others dwell in the false belief that Friends is a funny show.

Those kind of things.

 

[ParadigmShifter]

Ziggy, turn away from the dark side of Daveism and join the Elvisians.

Jesus said "Love thy neighbor." Elvis said "Don't be cruel."
Jesus is the Lord's shepherd. Elvis dated Cybill Shepherd.
Jesus was part of the Trinity. Elvis' first band was a trio.
Jesus walked on water. Elvis surfed (Blue Hawaii, 1965).
Jesus' entourage, the Apostles, had 12 members. Elvis' entourage, the Memphis Mafia, had 12 members.
Jesus was resurrected. Elvis had the famous 1968 "Comeback" TV special and many posthumous mall sightings.
Jesus said "If a man thirst, let him come to me, and drink." (John 7:37). Elvis said "Drinks on me" (Jail House Rock, 1957).
Jesus fasted for 40 days and nights. Elvis also had irregular eating habits (eg, 5 banana split breakfast).
Jesus is a Capricorn (Dec 25). Elvis is a Capricorn (Jan8).
Matthew was a biographer of Jesus. Neil Matthews was a biographer of Elvis (A Golden Tribute).
"Jesus countenance...like lightning...raiment snow white." (Matthew 28:3) Elvis wore snow white jumpsuits with lightning bolts.
Jesus lived in a state of grace in a near-eastern land. Elvis lived in Graceland in a nearly eastern state.
Jesus' mother Mary had an immaculate conception. Elvis' wife Priscilla went to Immaculate Conception H.S.
People called Jesus a "...glutton and a drunk." (Luke 7:34) People called Elvis "...an overweight druggie...".
Jesus died for us. Young girls would 'die for' Elvis.
Jesus was born in humble surroundings. Elvis was born in Mississippi.
Even today Jesus has a cult following. Even today Elvis has a cult following.
Jesus was called "King of Israel.." (John 12:13) Elvis was called "King of Rock n' Roll".

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Nice

But I think Uncle Dave has all Elvis' records though. So maybe I'm allready an Elvisian in spirit