"You probably think I'm a monster"

[Phlegmak]

He shouldn't be given the death penalty. Just a life sentence.

 

[emzie]

I'd've preferred he faced trial in an Iraqi court.

I have many qualms about the death penalty in a civilian justice system. In the military though, tie him to a pole and shoot.

 

[Patroklos]

He deserves a single mercy to be able to face a firing squad with a blindfold, nothing else.

Firing sqauads are for honorable military exections (spies and the like), this guy should be hung. In front of his battalion.

No remorse either, screw him.

 

[Flying Pig]

I agree that shooting is not for 'common criminals', but he probably got mild PtSD; which is possibly an excuse.

 

[Bill3000]

He should be given a year's compulsory military service with no pay, no chance of promotion and a sergeant that hates his guts. That would be better - war does things to some people that makes them go mad; so capital punishment is not good for this.

...so the best punishment is making him even madder?

Why on earth would you want to keep him in service?

 

[Flying Pig]

He'd probably die anyway, plus it would be torture for him.

 

[emzie]

I agree that shooting is not for 'common criminals', but he probably got mild PtSD; which is possibly an excuse.

PTSD is an defense for reactionary crimes. Planning the rape and murder of a girl and her family isn't a reaction. It's deliberate.

 

[Evie]

Though one.

Not because I think he should die. He shouldn't have to die. The problem is, the way the law is, not killing him requires granting that he doesn't deserve the highest sentence the law allows for (and, by extension, that his crime was not quite THAT bad). Which is disgusting in and of itself.

I think he doesn't deserve the death penalty in a moral sense, but he has to be sentenced to it, in a legal and social one.

Law and society are whacked out like that.

 

[Bill3000]

He'd probably die anyway, plus it would be torture for him.

We have this little thing called the Eighth Amendment. You might want to read up on it.

 

[Flying Pig]

Cruel and unusual punishment? The litogators aren't going to argue with his new boss for long.

Military justice is innapropriate, so is civillian justice. I vote to tear up the amendment.

 

[Bill3000]

Cruel and unusual punishment? The litogators aren't going to argue with his new boss for long.

Military justice is innapropriate, so is civillian justice. I vote to tear up the amendment.

The obvious fact that you can't torture someone as a punishment aside, the first thing that you want to do is to prevent the man from doing this activity ever again. ...that requires not allowing him to go back in the war zone.

 

[Kerozine]

Doesn't sound like he did too thorough job at getting rid of the evidence and suppressing witnesses..

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I'm not sure the point of the thread.... To the OP, clearly, by now you must realize that people who are opposed to the DP don't really have a list of exceptions. So, it would really only matter for people who are for the DP. And, if you are, then this is about as clear cut as you can get.

Good point. All the OP is really asking is "are you for or against the death penalty?"

I for one think we should have let the Iraqi courts handle this one.

 

[Flying Pig]

Probably a good idea

 

[RedRalph]

Good point. All the OP is really asking is "are you for or against the death penalty?"

I for one think we should have let the Iraqi courts handle this one.

I'm not, because not everyone who is in favour of the death penalty would neccesarily want it applied here.

FWIW, I think he should either get the death penalty or life in an Iraqi prison with no chance of parole.

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I'm not, because not everyone who is in favour of the death penalty would neccesarily want it applied here.

Really? I can't imagine there are very many such people (if there are, I imagine his being in the military would be the main mitigating factor).

FWIW, I think he should either get the death penalty or life in an Iraqi prison with no chance of parole.

I figure if the US is going to insist on being the ones to try him, and the US is going to bother having a death penalty, may as well use it in this case.

 

[RedRalph]

Really? I can't imagine there are very many such people (if there are, I imagine his being in the military would be the main mitigating factor).

Not that he's been in the military as such, but that he'd been traumatised.

I figure if the US is going to insist on being the ones to try him, and the US is going to bother having a death penalty, may as well use it in this case.

Yeah, thats my opinion too, but not eveyrone would see things that way. I cant really think of a better example of someone who deserves it.

 

[warpus]

Four other former soldiers are in prison for their roles in the crime and the cover-up that followed.

Pvt. 1st Class James Barker, Sgt. Paul Cortez, Pvt. 1st Class Jesse Spielman and Pvt. 1st Class Bryan Howard received sentences ranging from 27 months to 110 years, with the possibility of parole in 10 years in the most severe cases.

They were convicted and sentenced in a military court. On Monday, as the penalty phase of his trial begins, Green might become the first former U.S. soldier to face the death penalty for war crimes before a civilian court.

Obviously sentences handed out for the same crimes should carry a similar punishment in both military and civilian courts.

What's up what that?

 

[Eran of Arcadia]

I don't know, I am glad civil courts don't hand out sentences for desertion and insubordination.

 

[mrt144]

No he doesnt deserve to die. An eye for an eye makes the world go blind.

But a long long LONG prision sentence is in order here. My eyes flared up at "27 months".
Anyway, he needs to be punish though, but I dont think anyone has the right to kill him, much like he has no right to kill the family.

Are you against the death penalty in the big picture?