YOU'RE FIRED!

I really don't understand your point. To say he's more corrupt than George Bush or Barack Obama is just completely false. If that were the case then the mainstream media and people like yourself wouldn't be working against him so hard. Are there corrupt people in his administration? There sure are, but that's pretty par for the course sadly. The fact that he also had people like Steve Bannon and supports an immigration agenda which goes completely against the establishment in this country is a big boost to his credibility.

As for the rest of your post...yeah the "white supremacist" name calling is a pretty sad replacement for an actual argument.

What you don't realize is that you are being sold a narrative by the media in this country who profits off of people like yourself that can't accept Hillary's defeat. You tell me Trump won't drain the swamp, which may be true, but it's pretty hollow coming from someone who is the literal embodiment of the swamp. Your beliefs are identical to what the powers that be want you to believe.
 
civver_764 said:
I really don't understand your point. To say he's more corrupt than George Bush or Barack Obama is just completely false. If that were the case then the mainstream media and people like yourself wouldn't be working against him so hard. Are there corrupt people in his administration? There sure are, but that's pretty par for the course sadly. The fact that he also had people like Steve Bannon and supports an immigration agenda which goes completely against the establishment in this country is a big boost to his credibility.

As for the rest of your post...yeah the "white supremacist" name calling is a pretty sad replacement for an actual argument.

What you don't realize is that you are being sold a narrative by the media in this country who profits off of people like yourself that can't accept Hillary's defeat. You tell me Trump won't drain the swamp, which may be true, but it's pretty hollow coming from someone who is the literal embodiment of the swamp.
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Oh the places we will go to justify our love of an incompetent conman.
 
civver_764 said:
I really don't understand your point. To say he's more corrupt than George Bush or Barack Obama is just completely false. If that were the case then the mainstream media and people like yourself wouldn't be working against him so hard. Are there corrupt people in his administration? There sure are, but that's pretty par for the course sadly. The fact that he also had people like Steve Bannon and supports an immigration agenda which goes completely against the establishment in this country is a big boost to his credibility.
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How does your logic work where, "fills his administration with lobbyists and corrupt individuals" does not make him corrupt? Does not mean that he was lying through his teeth about draining the swamp? If "par for the course" has been so terrible all this time, why are you giving Trump a pass for being status quo as it applies to corruption?

See, you're not maintaining any semblance of logical consistency. Your argument amounts to, "Trump is keeping America White, and I like that." Why not just cop to it? You accuse me of name-calling, but you've posted here at length about how much pride you take in your Whiteness. So own it.

What you don't realize is that you are being sold a narrative by the media in this country who profits off of people like yourself that can't accept Hillary's defeat. You tell me Trump won't drain the swamp, which may be true, but it's pretty hollow coming from someone who is the literal embodiment of the swamp. Your beliefs are identical to what the powers that be want you to believe.
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:lol:

This is so tired. You can't refute anything I say, so you chalk it up to some vast media conspiracy. A sad mental trick if there ever was one.
 
metalhead said:
How does your logic work where, "fills his administration with lobbyists and corrupt individuals" does not make him corrupt? Does not mean that he was lying through his teeth about draining the swamp? If "par for the course" has been so terrible all this time, why are you giving Trump a pass for being status quo as it applies to corruption?
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I literally explained this in the text you quoted. The fact the media is attacking him so hard should make you think. For example, did you notice how the media suddenly stopped attacking him when he did the Syria strike?

See, you're not maintaining any semblance of logical consistency. Your argument amounts to, "Trump is keeping America White, and I like that." Why not just cop to it? You accuse me of name-calling, but you've posted here at length about how much pride you take in your Whiteness. So own it.
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I have copped to my beliefs plenty of time, but calling me a 'white supremacist' is a logical fallacy ie. ad hominem.

:lol:

This is so tired. You can't refute anything I say, so you chalk it up to some vast media conspiracy. A sad mental trick if there ever was one.
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I'm just returning the favor. It's true though, none of your beliefs are controversial.
 
civver_764 said:
I literally explained this in the text you quoted. The fact the media is attacking him so hard should make you think. For example, did you notice how the media suddenly stopped attacking him when he did the Syria strike?
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Ockham's Razor. The most likely true explanation is, people keep attacking him because he is constantly behaving in ways that are deserving of being attacked.

The media fetishization of military strikes is not one of their finer qualities, I'll give you that.
 
metalhead said:
Ockham's Razor. The most likely true explanation is, people keep attacking him because he is constantly behaving in ways that are deserving of being attacked.

The media fetishization of military strikes is not one of their finer qualities, I'll give you that.
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It's not just the media though. The establishment of both parties hate him, and he's pursuing an agenda that runs counter to the monied interests. Who is immigration restriction good for besides the American people? It is definitely something that hurts corporate profits, for example. The fact that he's still pushing that is a really good sign.

You can point me to certain troublesome individuals in his administration, and I would agree with you that they shouldn't be there, but overall he's much better than Hillary would have been. I don't think his administration is 100% corruption-free, but it's definitely a step up from what we've had in the past.

His usage of Twitter also provides a level of transparency that is unprecedented.

You can dismiss the immigration stuff as "white supremacy", but that is without a doubt the issue that got him elected.
 
civver_764 said:
I literally explained this in the text you quoted. The fact the media is attacking him so hard should make you think. For example, did you notice how the media suddenly stopped attacking him when he did the Syria strike?.
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So in Trumpland the more the media attacks someone the better and more honest and good they are right ?
I guess, The Deploreables do love Hitler, /s
 
civver_764 said:
His usage of Twitter also provides a level of transparency that is unprecedented.
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Except that most of what he says on Twitter is BS
 
civver_764 said:
His usage of Twitter also provides a level of transparency that is unprecedented.

You can dismiss the immigration stuff as "white supremacy", but that is without a doubt the issue that got him elected.
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That is indeed what got him elected. The reasons why immigration was such a big issue are what's really interesting. I can certainly see why someone who lost their job due to their company relocating it to Mexico would be against NAFTA and immigration in general. But I think a fair amount of it is also good old-fashioned racism and xenophobia, or at least nativism. Which has a long and storied history in America, unfortunately, dating back to before the time of the Know-Nothing party. The mainstream parties haven't provided a way to vote based on that in a long time, but Trump did.

The Trump Twitter feed does provide an unusual level of transparency into his thought process. One of the articles I've read recently is about how Trump is less hypocritical than previous presidents, but that's actually a bad thing. Most presidents will at least say the diplomatic thing, even if they aren't really working towards that behind the scenes. But it helps keep tensions lower. Trump will contradict the diplomatic efforts of Rex Tillerson publicly (and in all likelihood with no advance warning to Tillerson), and just make tensions worse. Yes, his thoughts are more transparent to the public. But that doesn't mean that's good for the public. And having read almost every Trump Tweet so far this year, I would agree with that assessment.

Corruption, there's so many troubling signs. To be fair, there's been a problem with lobbyist influence for a long time. But the most troubling signs to me revolve around lack of respect for the democratic system and its norms, and a desire for personal loyalty. The hesitation to say he would peacefully concede the election during the first debate, the chants to lock up his rival, that he asked James Comey (and in all likelihood many others) for personal loyalty, saying that he never would have appointed Jeff Sessions as attorney general if he'd known Sessions would recuse himself from the Russia investigation. Yes, other presidents have sought expanded executive power at times, but none save Nixon has done so in a way that made it look so explicitly like their top concern was retaining power, or in a way that suggested perhaps there was something that would result in their not keeping power for the full four years.
 
Perfection said:
Except that most of what he says on Twitter is BS
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You're just jealous cuz he's a gangster.

Quintillus said:
The Trump Twitter feed does provide an unusual level of transparency into his thought process. One of the articles I've read recently is about how Trump is less hypocritical than previous presidents, but that's actually a bad thing. Most presidents will at least say the diplomatic thing, even if they aren't really working towards that behind the scenes. But it helps keep tensions lower. Trump will contradict the diplomatic efforts of Rex Tillerson publicly (and in all likelihood with no advance warning to Tillerson), and just make tensions worse. Yes, his thoughts are more transparent to the public. But that doesn't mean that's good for the public. And having read almost every Trump Tweet so far this year, I would agree with that assessment.
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Most of his tweets are really positive and spread a message of love. The Rex Tillerson thing...eh I don't think that's really going to matter in the long run.

Corruption, there's so many troubling signs. To be fair, there's been a problem with lobbyist influence for a long time. But the most troubling signs to me revolve around lack of respect for the democratic system and its norms, and a desire for personal loyalty. The hesitation to say he would peacefully concede the election during the first debate, the chants to lock up his rival, that he asked James Comey (and in all likelihood many others) for personal loyalty, saying that he never would have appointed Jeff Sessions as attorney general if he'd known Sessions would recuse himself from the Russia investigation. Yes, other presidents have sought expanded executive power at times, but none save Nixon has done so in a way that made it look so explicitly like their top concern was retaining power, or in a way that suggested perhaps there was something that would result in their not keeping power for the full four years.
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Totally disagree. He had pretty much all of the odds stacked against him, and still won. Both parties fought against him, and he still won. The polls gave him like a 1% chance of winning, and he still won. I don't care what your opinion of Trump's politics are, that's pretty inspiring and proof that democracy is still alive.
 
I really hope the Rex Tillerson thing doesn't matter in the long run - and on the whole suspect it won't, if only because Rocket Man doesn't want to bring about the destruction of his own regime - but it would be really bad if it did.

My all-time favorite Trump Tweet is his New Year's Eve one: "Happy New Year to all, including to my many enemies and those who have fought me and lost so badly they just don't know what to do. Love!" Perhaps not an orthodox way of spreading a message of love, but I admit it was funny.

That he was able to win despite the opposition of the mainstream of both major parties is not in itself a bad sign for democracy. The same can be said of Macron in France. It's Trump's attitude towards democratic norms that is concerning to me.
 
Perfection said:
You're just deflecting because you know I'm right.
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Please explain how his tweets are "BS".

Quintillus said:
That he was able to win despite the opposition of the mainstream of both major parties is not in itself a bad sign for democracy. The same can be said of Macron in France. It's Trump's attitude towards democratic norms that is concerning to me.
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Well he's got the whole system trying to get him impeached.
 
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