civver_764
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You're clearly trying to gaslight me to make yourself feel better and now you're mad that I didn't fall for it? And you wonder why I won't vote for a party that is full of people like you?
YOU'RE FIRED!
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Gori the Grey
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Yes, that's the locus classicus. Comey cited it in his testimony, to the appreciation of one of his questioners, I forget which senator.
Better than gas ovening you, like those in Charlottesville who were doxxed want.
I can't believe your first contribution to the thread was a false equivalency between kneeling during the anthem and having the head of state clamor for firing to be on the same level as neo nazis and white supremacists being doxxed when their speech is dedicated towards the extermination of other humans.
Are you confused by your own thoughts? Probably not fair to accuse other people of gaslighting you if that's the case.
civver_764
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Nice to see you again too mrt.
Sorry, can't do that. They're usually not idiots and at this point they're more deserving of respect. And I've never heard of one that tweets.
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Can you perhaps explain what you're trying to say here? How is it "gaslighting?" I'm merely drawing inferences from the thing you are saying. They're not particularly pleasant inferences, sure, but that's not "gaslighting."
Sorry, can't do that. They're usually not idiots and at this point they're more deserving of respect. And I've never heard of one that tweets.
See, here I'll disagree. I think many of them are idiots, but they have very particular skills and well-honed instincts that serve them well in their particular line of work. Just like Trump does, in the line of work of "media whore." Unfortunately for us, his skills and instinct do not extend to things like "being president."
civver_764
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I'm talking about the whole "Trump is using you" schtick. It's a pretty transparent apparent to make me feel bad about Trump's victory like you do.
And you base this on your intimate knowledge of Crime Bosses? Hmm guess I could use the same criticism on myself. Never mind.
To be fair, there are, in-fact a select few professions a person could have, that would indeed give them the potential of having intimate knowledge of different types of criminals, including how they think and what their mental aptitudes are... just sayin.
Just sayin 
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Gori the Grey
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If it's transparent, it's not gaslighting. Gaslighting is secretly modifying something, but then claiming to another person that it hasn't been changed, so that that other person will begin to doubt his or her own perceptions or sanity. The term can be used slightly more figuratively than that. But metalhead could hardly be more explicit and straightforward in what he's saying to you, so I don't think "gaslighting" is the term you want.
civver_764
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The definition I get from google is "manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity." That seems to fit what metalhead is doing, but whatever I could be wrong.
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I'm not trying to get you to question your own sanity. Gaslighting would involve something like going back to edit previous posts and then trying to convince you that the edited version of the post was actually what the post had said all along. If I kept doing it and was really insistent about it, you might start to wonder if something was off about your perceptions.
I'm merely trying to explain to you that you got conned. That Mr. "Drain the Swamp" is actually tolerating his entire cabinet flying around on private and military jets on the taxpayer dime. That Mr. Law & Order sent his high-dollar donor to the DA into the DAs office to (successfully) squash a case against his children that was nearing indictment.
That you may be questioning your belief in con man is a good thing. It merely means you got fooled, that you were wrong. The point is not that your belief in him is the product of insanity, but rather that he is a very convincing liar. If it makes you feel any better, tens of millions of other people also got taken in, so it's not a sign of any particular mental defect on your part. I don't have the power to change the past, or anything. I'm sure your perceptions and memories accurately reflect what was going on at the time. You just ended up trusting someone who is manifestly untrustworthy.
I agree.
civver_764
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Yeah...you've got me all wrong. You think I really care about him protecting his children? That is totally inconsequential in grand scheme of things.
The biggest concern is immigration, therefore I'm going to support the candidates who are strong on immigration. I'm not sure what exactly you think I got conned out of here. Voting for Hillary? That is extremely laughable considering she openly declared her intention to flood the country with even more immigrants.
Trump's victory has already done a great many things. We have already seen:
-less immigration
-more deportations
-more American jobs created
-a large nationalist movement built around Trump's candidacy
-a discrediting of the mainstream media
-the overton window being shifted rightward
Contrary to your assertion, I haven't seen any evidence that he has given up on the wall. In fact, there are prototypes being built:
Spoiler :
As for 'draining the swamp', I'm very hopeful for the 2018 elections. We already have Roy Moore who achieved victory over the corrupt GOP establishment, and I think that trend will continue during next year's primaries. Whether or not Trump gives up on his promise to 'drain the swamp', the movement built around him will not.
Your continued focus on "muh russia" and "muh nepotism" just shows that you have no grasp of the larger picture. You have no idea why I and others support Trump. You're going to have to do a lot better than this if you want to sew seeds of doubt. Your mistake is thinking that I support Trump the man and not his agenda. I have no problem dropping him if he refuses to push his agenda forward.
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I don't believe I mentioned Russia at all in this discussion.
Look, I know you're a white supremacist and that will transcend your affinity even for Trump. That's at least understandable. But the part you aren't getting here is that Trump is the biggest swamp dweller of them all. The people he hand-picked to be in his administration are lobbyists, and people more egregiously putting their hands in the till than anyone we have ever seen. If to you, "drain the swamp" means getting more white supremacists elected, then I can see where that makes sense to you, but that means that it is you who is actually clueless on what Trump was actually promising to do. He was promising to eliminate corruption from government, but his administration is far more corrupt than any which has preceded it. And they don't exactly go to great pains to hide it.
I understand why white supremacists like you voted for Trump. That was never a difficult thing to figure out. This bit where Trump supporters think there is some sophisticated reasoning that we're all too blind to see is just laughable. The only mistake we made was missing how many of you are either receptive or indifferent to a white supremacist presidency.
However, the thing that you are missing, is that this stuff about him being horribly corrupt and a totally dishonest con man is that he won't be running against Hillary Clinton in 2020. People won't be buying the con. You've gotten the short-term thrill of a boost in white pride, but the long-term implications are pretty dire. The man can't govern, and isn't interested in governing. Tens of millions of people voted for him despite not liking either him or his policies. There is no guarantee they will again, and if you know anything about history, you surely know that a one-term presidency tends to have a major corrosive effect on the efficacy of the ideals represented by the one-term president.
