ZPNESVI Discussion Thread (Nesse)

[Seon]

Sigh. I think we need a new punishment than an Exile to the Exile Islands.

 

[Ninja Dude]

The Elites of the city must respond to this pretentious declaration of the Orange Clan on the island of Exiles. Their "Princedom" should be dealt with, if the resources can be spared.

The Exiles should not be allowed to take advantage of Nesse's distraction with the Cyrians.

The Oranje clan is simply dividing themselves from the other Exiles, which can only weaken them and lessen their coordination. quite frankly this can only be seen as a good thing, and we believe that it isn't something we should concern ourselves with at this moment. Let the Exiles prop up pitiful realms with no real power or meaning. It's not like they can or will even get the chance to harm us.

 

[Anonymoose]

Famous last words ^^. They could never harm us. Let's look over there and ignore this meaningless threat.

 

[Circuit]

House Challoan believes that at this point there are more important concerns than the Exiles. If they turn out to be a threat, we'll take care of it. For now, though, very little has changed. It's not like they could become the Cyrians overnight.

 

[Ninja Dude]

Famous last words ^^. They could never harm us. Let's look over there and ignore this meaningless threat.

OOC: I'm just trying to act like a rational and slightly over-confident clan would

 

[Anonymoose]

Well I doubt they'll do any harm to the Nessers. It's not like they have any advantage at all.

 

[TaylorFlame]

It has been agreed by the Senate that the position of War Leader is to be reviewed annually, not at the beginning of each conflict. It has been voted unanimously into law.

If you have a problem with the way we are running the army, you are free to meet with Lucius Wolf at the Army camp in the Southern Expanses.

The Wolf Clan is right. They have the title of War Leader for a few more months (1 turn?).

 

[Northen Wolf]

Moon Shadow Clan

The Oranje clan is simply dividing themselves from the other Exiles, which can only weaken them and lessen their coordination.

Your plan is simple, send exiled against forces whom you call "enemy" - even that fact has not been proven.

Why should exiled go against might that is stronger than we are? They offered us peace, why should we then rise axe against one who offers us peace - if their kingdom falls, city of Nesse stays the same. But should their kingdom rise, city of Nesse would Benifit from it. Golden Spires a.k.a 'Agadas' city already joined with them and seems not to suffer. This time under their leadership could be used to rebuild our town, remake laws (including fair trading laws), lower taxes, reorganize people and give everyone chance to work and earn their bread.

People are rioting on the streets, homes are in ruins, Nobles homes are in critical situation, why, for heavens sake, are you playing WAR GAMES when you should work for your citizens!

Why should exiled be "weakened", we no strength to match great houses but we are doing more work than most Great Houses who play "War Games" instead making life better for citizens of Nesse. Our coordination is only directed towards proving that most of us are innocent... We are not against Nesse, we are with Nesse.

It's not like they can or will even get the chance to harm us.

Exiles have no reason to harm other houses - that would damage our home, City of Nesse. And (at least) Moon Shadow Clan has no intentions to hurt citizens of Nesse.

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The Elites of the city must respond to this pretentious declaration of the Orange Clan on the island of Exiles. Their "Princedom" should be dealt with, if the resources can be spared.

The Exiles should not be allowed to take advantage of Nesse's distraction with the Cyrians.

Why are you against reformatting one exiled clan ? It's simple change of leadership - they did not declare themselves to be overlords or leaders of exiled isle, nor did they claim that their princedom or prince is rightful leader of Nesse. It's simple change inside their clan, to coordinate work of clan better - it causes no harm to Nesse or exiled ones. Besides this, why should you care what happens on exiled isle? They are not hurting anyone with these "reforms" and Oran has clearly said that they do not want to return to Nesse.

 

[Ninja Dude]

Your plan is simple, send exiled against forces whom you call "enemy" - even that fact has not been proven.

What the hell are you even talking about?

Why should exiled go against might that is stronger than we are? They offered us peace, why should we then rise axe against one who offers us peace - if their kingdom falls, city of Nesse stays the same. But should their kingdom rise, city of Nesse would Benifit from it. Golden Spires a.k.a 'Agadas' city already joined with them and seems not to suffer. This time under their leadership could be used to rebuild our town, remake laws (including fair trading laws), lower taxes, reorganize people and give everyone chance to work and earn their bread.

Seriously, what is the Moon Shadow Clan on? The Ninticus clan was saying that we don't want to interfere with the Exiles. This has nothing to do with opposing this small settlement of the Oranje Clan and quite frankly, the Ninticus Clan is getting sick of hearing the Moon Shadow Clan's ramblings.

People are rioting on the streets, homes are in ruins, Nobles homes are in critical situation, why, for heavens sake, are you playing WAR GAMES when you should work for your citizens!

We aren't playing wargames you poorly diluded exile. We are fighting a war against the Cyrians for our survival and freedom. We have been working for our citizens. Improving the walls and the sewage system has made life more secure and clean for them.

Why should exiled be "weakened", we no strength to match great houses but we are doing more work than most Great Houses who play "War Games" instead making life better for citizens of Nesse. Our coordination is only directed towards proving that most of us are innocent... We are not against Nesse, we are with Nesse.

We aren't saying that the Exiles should be weakened! We said that the Oranje Clan dividing the Exiles' island will only further divide them and maybe even weaken them. WE aren't weakening you exiles. It's yourselves that are weakening each other with proclaimations of independant kingdoms and realms.

If we hear one more ridiculous statement or utterance from the Moon Shadow Clan, we might be tempted to finally cut out their tounges that they clearly do not deserve.

 

[germanicus12]

I just need a vote of majority from the Senate to move my army and prepare for combat against the Cyrians.

Why do I need the vote? To ensure that I do not appear to be a war mongering Dictator who moves on my own whim. After all it is in the hands of the Senate and not the War Leader to begin a war. My defenses rely on a first strike so approval is a must.

(OOC: Was hoping Moderator Dicchus would grant the request, but in his absent to the Orient I will either need the approval from an emergency Moderator or the Senate majority.)

 

[Thlayli]

War has not yet been declared, and a Wolf Clan representative has not yet been appointed as the War Leader for this campaign. We will organize a new vote upon the Moderator's return, or on the Moderator's will, and no sooner.

 

[erez87]

Alya agrees with the Fiddlers that if a moderators cannot answer the calls and needs of the city, he should be replaced if only just until he can function.

We also do not think the war is going to wait for our beloved moderator. It is coming. We should be prepared.

 

[Thlayli]

I think we should stop mixing IC and OOC events.

 

[Ninja Dude]

I think we should stop mixing IC and OOC events.

Yeah, I agree.

 

[germanicus12]

War has not yet been declared, and a Wolf Clan representative has not yet been appointed as the War Leader for this campaign. We will organize a new vote upon the Moderator's return, or on the Moderator's will, and no sooner.

Could you please point out where a new leader is to be appointed before every campaign? Perhaps we missed it.

As far as the Laws of Nesse show, a War Leader is elected by the Moderator, and serves for 1 Year, in which he trains, leads, and fight wars with his army. Every year, his position is reviewed by the Moderator and could be replaced or left in charge for another year.

There is no law, or bylaw that says that a War Leader must be picked before a campaign, and even if there was a law, it would be a ridiculous one at that. An army fights because they trust their leaders, if a leader is changed just before a campaign, it destroys any chance of the army fighting well. Without trust the army would not follow orders, would not fully understand what the leader expects, or even meet the expectations of the new leader.

As it is, we feel that a War Leader should remain the head of the army during a campaign, even if such a campaign lasts more than 1 year. While I do support what you are trying to say, just remember, this army is new, they have not had the discipline, the understanding, or even the morale to undergo a leadership change on the eve of a major conflict. If you want to survive the Cyrian scourge, I would advise you leave Lucius Wolf in charge as the men have come to trust him, have come to understand him, and we need all the morale we can get. Do not destroy Nesse's chance at victory.


If it would put your mind at ease, we will release our plans to the Senate, even though you will be flooded with dozens of them as one has not been selected yet. (OOC: Still waiting for the Masada Clan.) Tomorrow, with or without the approval of the Senate we will begin preparations for the defense of Nesse. If it costs us our position in the Senate or even in Nesse social circles, so be it. If the Senate refuses to act we will, Nesse must be protected.


OOC: Masada, your clan has 24 hours from this post to announce whether you are joining this army or not. If you do not reply in the time frame we will begin preparations without your unit.

 

[Thlayli]

We remind the Wolf Clan that war has not yet been declared on the Cyrians.

As the writers of Nesse's laws, we understand them well. The Moderator has the unfettered right of proposal, and can reassign War Leaders whenever the Senate demands it.

Given that the Moderator has appointed the Wolves War Leaders of the Army, they MAY retain that post, IF the Moderator agrees to it. However, he is within his right to nominate a new leader for each new campaign, with the Senate's agreement.

Additionally, a new War Leader CAN be appointed if 4 Elite Senators demand it. This is what lies written in the Laws of Nesse. If the Senate wishes to have the Moderator select a new War Leader for this campaign, it is the Senate's decision.

 

[erez87]

You may be the ones keep records of the laws of Nesse, but you are not their makers or their controllers.

The senate did not demand the war leader to be replaced.

 

[germanicus12]

Yes, but no one was calling for a replacement. Which was why we were wondering why you trying to get the replacement in the first place as you are not a Senator.

Also, granted war has not been declared, the threat is still there. The Cyrians are marching and as we turned down their offer, their destination is obvious. They mean to force us to become vassals. War is coming one way or the other and I mean to get the Senate to grant me the permission to give our people the best chance possible at victory. If they refuse we will obey the Senate and withdraw from battle unless it means the sack of Nesse, in which case we will fight to the last man in what will be a losing battle.

Vote for war now or at least grant me the permission to launch offensive strikes at the Cyrian army as it approaches and by the gods, victory just might be possible!

 

[Thlayli]

We are not trying to "get" any replacement. We are simply informing the Senators of the law.

 

[erez87]

The senator of Alya thanks the scribes for the information. Now you can move along and await for a senator to continue the idea of switching a war lord if one wishes anyway.