ZPNESVI Discussion Thread (Nesse)

[Shadowbound]

The House of the Horned King is far from eager to continue sanctioning a war that will be conducted by the Wolf Clan, given their record. Especially if the Senate has yet to formally declare war.

We most especially would like to see the Offensive and Defensive armies combined under a single command, rather than sending them forth piecemeal.

 

[Thlayli]

We concur. The Wolves have a history of erratic actions.

 

[Seon]

Our opinion is that Senate not agree to any offensive action until the War Leader give a detailed plan on what they are going to do.

 

[TaylorFlame]

You may be the ones keep records of the laws of Nesse, but you are not their makers or their controllers.

The senate did not demand the war leader to be replaced.

Officially, the Wolf Clan was merely War Leader of the raising and training of an army. At no point does their job description involve taking offensive action. The Wolf Clan is technically operating outside of its bounds. To properly engage the enemy while staying faithful to the laws of the Senate, the Wolf Clan would have to be elected War Leader of the Cyrian War.

 

[Daftpanzer]

About BananaLee... I made everyone wait for updates, after BananaLee put alot of work into organising things, so I feel like I should wait for him to return. Obviously though I don't want to hold things up even more.

If BananaLee doesn't get in by touch tommorrow, I would like to get things moving, with some IC excuse for why the Moderator is temporarily out of action (a sickness). Whether there is a temporary replacement or not is up to you guys... The next update will representing a small amount of time (perhaps just a few weeks) while NPC armies move around (ominous) so it wouldn't be too bad to just sit back and wait for now. Or short-term actions as opposed to starting new big projects.

 

[alex994]

IC: House Demetrii denounces the Wolf Clan's blatant grab for power. The failed Wolf Clan assault upon the Golden Barbs caused a great number of Nesser deaths as well as sabotaging the honorable reputation of all Nessers.

The People of Nesse will not be fooled by the Wolf Clan for a second time! House Demetrii stands fully by our vote for Moderator Dicchus. Yet should seven of the eight Senators vote to remove Moderator Dicchus from his position, it shall be up to the People of Nesse to elect the new Moderator, not the Senate.

 

[TaylorFlame]

Nevermind

 

[Masada]

OOC: Masada, your clan has 24 hours from this post to announce whether you are joining this army or not. If you do not reply in the time frame we will begin preparations without your unit.

I've been waiting for my orders, like you said you'd send me:

The military commanders in my armies, Fire Clan, Bear Clan, Masada Clan will all have their orders soon. By dispatch, I ask that you pick only your most loyal rider to handle dispatches of important matters, to avoid leaking plans to the enemy. (PM or messenger please)

I kinda assumed that you'd just send me what you wanted me to do and so on.

 

[BananaLee]

Moderator Announcement

Alright, I've read up with everything. First off, I want to say the following actions have been taken: -

I have requested Alya to delay the Cyrians from moving

I have requested the War Leaders to come up with an organised plan of defence against a potential Cyrian attack. I would like to pull rank here as the Executive. The Senate is purely Legislative so they don't need to know the plan so long as it works. However, please trust that it is in good hands (and here, I'm mixing OOC expediency with ICness)

Regarding the Bear's conditions, I feel it is the responsibility of the relevant War Leader to decide.

I would like House Challoan to provide a proper proposal for this "outlander training scheme". the way I see it, there doesn't seem to be any purpose whatsoever for it. I want objectives, ways of funding, etc. not just "methods of implementation"

Now, with that out of the way, I wish to bring the following topics to the table for discussion this turn: -

5D1 - Magistracy of Riva
Someone needs to be appointed to the Magistracy of Riva to extend the protection of Nesse law to the Nesse citizens there. Candidates step forward, please.

5D2 - Exile Situation
Although this turn is only three weeks, I'd like to discuss what to do with this "Principality of Oran". The core issue here is the legal status of Exile Island, whether it's under Nesse jurisdiction or if the Exiles are free to do as they will on that island.

5F1 - Sea Kingdom Intervention?
Should we intervene in their little Nabar-Zemtis War? If so, how?

5F2 - Nyud Intervention?
Same thing

5F3 - Envoys to Nabar and Agadas
House Demitrii and Fiddlers have asked for envoys to be sent out to get concrete and help with sewers. The way I see it it is not exactly government activity so it probably isn't necessary to send envoys. However, I would like to sound out the rest of the city as to whether we need to give permission for this particular purpose, or whether this situation doesn't necessarily fall under the Élite right to diplomacy

 

[Circuit]

5D1: Marticus Challoan would be interested in becoming Magistrate of Riva.

5D2: The Challoan clan holds that the Exiles are no longer under Nesse jurisdiction. Since we have banished the Exiles, we no longer want anything to do with them. The only reason why we claim to have jurisdiction is because some are worried by this "Oran". We see the Exiles as the least of our worries, especially with the Cyrians moving in the south. Better to focus on the Cyrians than to get involved with this Oran. Just because the Exiles organize themselves doesn't mean that they're any better off. And an invasion would face a long and bitter insurgency by the Exiles.

5F1: The Sea Kingdom's business is the Sea Kingdom's business. We should not become involved. Both factions are the same, in our eyes. Better to remain focused on the Cyrians.

5F2: Same idea as for 5F1.

5F3: Kind of confused, but we don't see why not.

 

[germanicus12]

If everyone is upset about the "war" then Lucius Wolf will step down as War Leader and leave the army leaderless in its most desperate time. As everyone seems to be clamoring for.

We have no "power moving" objectives, just the safety of Nesse in mind. If the Senate or the Nessians can not understand the gravity of the stituation then we will not tire ourselves out trying to gain approval to move and prepare the defenses when it is apparant that the Senate refuses to even take in consideration of a war.


Unless the Senate changes its mind, Lucius Wolf is stepping down as War Leader effective immediately and returning to Nesse. We will not disband the army.

We wish to apologize to Moderator Dicchus that your orders would not be fulfilled by us due to Senate hostility, but wish you all the best in the Cyrian aggression.

 

[orangelex44]

OOC (Out Of City) comment: that response seems a little bit excessive. You're stepping down just like that?

 

[germanicus12]

OOC: I cannot work in this environment, it is exactly this environment that kills an army. Not war, not battles, but indecision of Senates, no trust, no belief that we can win or even hold out to gain a better peace.

 

[orangelex44]

[cough] that's why you need a king[cough]

Look, I'm not disagreeing with your point, because I (and the Orange Clan IC) understand the problem - the more people you have, the less chance there is that something is accomplished. However, quitting won't accomplish anything either. The "bad" Senators will see it as an affirmation that you were wrong for the post, the good Senators will get shafted, and the job will go to someone that you will certainly think is less qualified.

 

[germanicus12]

I have already considered that... but regardless, if I am in position and the Senate does not fully back me I am in a tough position where victory is not possible.

But if I resign and a lesser qualified general is picked with the full backing of the Senate, victory is still not possible.

They need me and I need the full backing of the Senate for victory to begin to show any glimpse of possibility.

If we lose this war, it will not be because of me, but because of the Senate.

EDIT: Besides, not alot of Senators support me, so I am not really shafting anyone. Just Moderator Dicchus which I sent a PM to explaining my position and reason behind my resignation.

 

[orangelex44]

Alright, then. Just make sure to let your citizens know that - I want to be able to say "I told you so" later. The terrible, terrible evils of a oligarchy... everyone needs a monarch!

 

[Anonymoose]

We obviously need a lumberjack king.

 

[Bil]

The Fiddlers would like to contribute their opinion on issue 5F1:

While we do not necessarily have to take sides, it would be preferred that Nabar not be offended in some fashion through our actions. If we're going to support anyone, it should be them, as they are our neighbors. Supporting Zantis would not guarantee us any privileges in the vicinity of Nabar, and quite frankly, it would be good to have at least a somewhat reasonably secure border at this point in time. Also, we need lots and lots of concrete for this sewer thing, let's not forget, and they're the only guys that have access to most of the materials. So, if you want to stop being sick and sniffing someone else's dirty business all day, don't upset Nabar.

 

[Thlayli]

We do not think that the Alya should be sent to the Cyrians as a stalling tactic. Didn't the Cyrians already convey the opinion that another Alya envoy would be killed?

On 5F1, we believe that we should tacitly support Zantis, undermine the Nabarians, and in time subjugate their city to our glorious mastery.

We do not, however, think the Nyuds should be antagonized, given our current situation.

 

[erez87]

We do not think that the Alya should be sent to the Cyrians as a stalling tactic. Didn't the Cyrians already convey the opinion that another Alya envoy would be killed?

On SF1, we believe that we should tacitly support Zantis, undermine the Nabarians, and in time subjugate their city to our glorious mastery.

We do not, however, think the Nyuds should be antagonized, given our current situation.

Indeed they have. That is why the moderator commanded me as diplomat to find other clans that could act as diplomats through Alya with the Cyrians.