The Last March of the Neanderthals (fantasy scenario)

History: This scenario shows a fantasy war of the first Men against Neanderthals. The chosen year was 6.000 b.C , when appeared the seed of the ancient civilizations. Remember: this is a FANTASY scenario, this war never happened, so, some dates are not correct, as the rise of Romans, Egyptians and the date of the die of the Neanderthal race.

Map: “Ancient World”, with parts of Europe, north of Africa and Middle East. It size is 180x180 and was done by myself.

Civis: Total of 12, 10 of the World of the Men and 02 of the Neanderthals one, using the alliance system of Civ3Conquests. This second race has biggest territory and better units, so 10 x 02 will a good game. The civis are:
01- Neanderthals from North (inhabitants from Europe)
02- Older Brothers (Neanderthals from Middle East)
03- Celts
04- Slavs (represented by Russians)
05- Illyrians (represented by Byzantines)
06- I.L.N.U. or Italian Languages native users (represented by Romans)
07- Proto Germanics (represented by Germans)
08- Mycenians (represented by Greeks)
09- Babylonians
10- Sumerians
11- Hittites
12- Egyptians

Please, check in my siganture link the arts of the Neanderthal leader, the unit Cave Man, the map, wondersplash and more stuffs.

If I remember correctly, there is a gasp of 5 000 years between the extinction of Neanderthals and the colonization of Europe by the first modern men.

Anyways, I've never been against some good fantasy or what-if scenario and I like this one.. So, good luck

Actually, there was considerable temporal overlap 'tween modern humans and Neanderthals in Europe. Even longer in the Mid-East, IIRC.

This is my post number 100!!!

I know that never happened an war between Men and Neanderthals, because they has a time difference of thousand years, for this it is a fantasy scenario, not a real one.

This is my post number 100, let's celebrate again!!!

tLC is right- there was indeed a VERY long overlap of thousands of year with europen neanderthals, and Humans- warfare, in the scal of inter-tribal war fare, and not necissarilyl speciies, or nation agaisnt nation would have been common, but so to would have been co-operation, and even rudimentary trade between the two

Humans are what killed off the neaderthals in Europe so there must have been overlap.

How come the top right of the map is all grassland? Is it just not finished, or do you plan to leave it like that?

When you saw the minimap image it was not finished, now it is (check the new image). I'll post this map, you can download it and give me suggestions about the terrains, click http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1694692#post1694692 to download this map, that will be used in this scenario.
Nobody know what exactly terminate the Neanderthals, I read about a strong flu present in the humans that was fatal to this race, but I don't belive an war is the cause of them death.

regards!!!

>> Humans are what killed off the neaderthals in Europe so there must have been overlap.

Actually, I think there is a consensus about the gasp. No cohabitation between the Europeen Neanderthals and the sapiens. At least, it is what I studied THIS year.

CivArmy, give us more info about your project. Tech tree ?

I'm looking forward to this scenario!

Androc, the link to download this map is http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?threadid=82679 , but the Scenario is not ready yet. I hope launch a "try version" this week and post it in Civ Fanatics Center.

Supa, I wish make a
- unique tech tree to this scenario;
- some unique building and great/small wonder to both races;
- the Neanderthal animated leaderhead;
- a UU to this race (check http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?threadid=80578& to see more infos about this UU and leaderhead).
- advertasing stuffs to divulgue this scenario

I'm building slowly all them, one day I finish That is my favourite hobby, there is a lot of work, but I like!

This is the first preview of the tech tree of this scenario. There are 03 times:
- The seed
- Birth Era
- Rise Times

You see the tech tree of the firt one, remember, this is only a previous version, not the final This tech tree will be upgrad always in this topic (last one in march, 23)

Suggestions, doubts... you know what you have to do

You get agriculture before irrigation... You don't really need to irrigate fertile places to do agriculture at all... You only need it to improve the output.

Androc, I changed the positon of "agriculture" and "irrigation", thanks!!!

You see Birth Era tech tree (last update in march, 23), the future ones will be upgraded in this same topic.
In this era appear the majority units to battle.

You see Rise Times tech tree (last update in march, 23), the future ones will be upgraded in this same topic.
In this era the majority urban improvements appear.

The tech trees look good But, IMHO, Warrior Code shouldn't require Bronze Working, since early warriors used stones, and then copper. Bronze itself was only made later. Maybe rename 'Bronze Working' to 'Copper Working' and make a new tech 'Bronze Working' and make 'Copper Working' a prerequisite for it.

Originally posted by Androrc
The tech trees look good But, IMHO, Warrior Code shouldn't require Bronze Working, since early warriors used stones, and then copper. Bronze itself was only made later. Maybe rename 'Bronze Working' to 'Copper Working' and make a new tech 'Bronze Working' and make 'Copper Working' a prerequisite for it.

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Good idea Androrc! I've modificated the tech tree above yet.

What are you going to work on now?

Originally posted by the mormegil
What are you going to work on now?

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I'm working on Neanderthal leaderhead arts, you can check the progress in http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?postid=1704241#post1704241

The civis infos will be uploaded always in this topic. You see team colors, them bonuses and fovourite/shunned government type.



Bonuses:
Neanderthals from North – Expansionist and Militaristic.
Older Brothers – Expansionist and Militaristic.
Illyrians – Commercial and Industrious.
Celts – Religious and Agricultural (or Commercial in PTW/Vanilla).
Slavs – Expansionist and Religious.
Italian L.N.U. – Industrious and Militaristic.
Proto Germanics – Militaristic and Scientific.
Mycenians – Commercial and Seafaring (or Scientific in PTW/Vanilla).
Hittites – Expansionist and Commercial.
Egyptians – Industrious and Agricultural (or Religious in PTW and Vanilla).
Sumerians – Scientific or Agricultural (or Industrious in PTW/Vanilla).
Babylonians – Religious and Scientific.

Favorite and Shunned government:
Neanderthals from North – Despotism and Democracy
Older Brothers – Despotism and Democracy
Illyrians – Republic and Primitive Communism.
Celts – Monarchy and Dictatorship.
Slavs – Republic and Dictatorship.
Italian L.N.U. – Republic and Primitive Communism.
Proto Germanics – Despotism and Primitive Communism.
Mycenians – Democracy and Despotism.
Hittites – Dictatorship and Republic.
Egyptians – Monarchy and Democracy.
Sumerians – Monarchy and Republic.
Babylonians – Dictatorship and Democracy.

The great number of units appear in Birth Era" (era number 02), when the first greatest armies appeared.

Standard Units of this Scenario:
Settler (0.0.1, cost 30, Settling)
Worker (0.0.1, cost 10, Stone Working)
Scout (2.0.0, cost 10, Collecting)
Warrior (1.1.1, cost 10, Hunting)
Axe Man (2.2.1, cost 25, Weapons)
Swordsman (3.2.1, cost 30, Iron Working, need Iron)
Archer (2.1.1, cost 20, Warrior Code)
Spearman (1.2.1, cost 20, Bronze Working, need Copper)
Long Spearman (2.3.1, cost 30, Weapons, need Copper)
Chariot (1.1.2, cost 20, Chariotry, need Horse)
Horseman (2.1.2, cost 30, Horseback Riding, need Horse)
Ancient Cavalry (2.2.3, cost 40, Iron Working, need Horse and Iron)
Catapult (0.0.1 – 4.1.1, cost 20, Mathematic Application, need Wood)
Trebuchet (0.0.1 - 6.1.1, cost 30, Catapult, need Wood)
Curragh (1.1.2 – transport 1 unit, cost 15, Cartography, need Wood)
Galley (1.1.3 – transport 2 units, cost 30, Sailing, need Wood)
Army (0.0.1, cost 45, Army Organization)

Unique Units:
Neanderthals from North – Cave Man (3.3.1, cost 20, replace Warrior).
Older Brothers – Cave Man (3.3.1, cost 20, replace Warrior).
Sumerians – Enkidu Warrior (1.2.1, cost 10, replace Warrior)
Mycenians – Hoplite (1.3.1, cost 20, replace Spearman, need Copper)
Babylonians – Bowman (2.2.1, cost 20, replace Archer)
Italian L.N.U. – Legionary (3.3.1, cost 30, replace Swordsman, need Iron)
Celts – Gallic Swordsman (3.2.2, cost 40, replace Swordsman, need Iron)
Hittites – Three Man Chariot (2.2.2, cost 30, replace Chariot, need Horse)
Egyptians – War Chariot (1.1.2, cost 10, replace Chariot, need Horse)
Slavs – Slav Cavalry (3.1.2, cost 30, replace Horseman, need Horse)
Proto Germanics – German Cavalry (3.2.2, cost 40, replace Horseman, need Horse)
Illyrians – Dromon (2.1.3, cost 30, replace Galley, need Wood)

Changes:
Slav Cavalry use Keshik arts (UU of Mongols).
German Cavalry use Ansar Warrior arts (UU of Arabs).
Swordsman is an Oriental unit, so it uses Crusader arts (unit produced when you made the wonder Knights Templar).
Axe Man use Berserk arts (UU of Vikings).
Long Spearman use Numidian Mercenary arts (UU of Catharge).